Make America Great Again on a roll. Panasonic and Tesla Announces move to Buff

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New York state has committed $750 million to build and outfit the plant at Buffalo's RiverBend site, the centerpiece of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo's "Buffalo Billion" program to revitalize the upstate region's largest city.

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So now we're backing government hand-outs to prop up the solar industry?

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New York state has committed $750 million to build and outfit the plant at Buffalo's RiverBend site, the centerpiece of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo's "Buffalo Billion" program to revitalize the upstate region's largest city.


So now we're backing government hand-outs to prop up the solar industry?

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Are they cutting a check for $750 million, or is it "reduce the projected tax bill by $750 million?"

If it's the former, I got beef. If it's the latter, frick you for being dumb enough to fall for the language and the very premise that charging less for a good or service is the same as giving away money.

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create 1,400 jobs in Buffalo, 500 in manufacturing

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This is total bullshite. Obama said those jobs were gone.

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You'll find that many of the truths we hold sacred depend entirely on our point of view, Luke..

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Your asschap, you don't wear it well.

Im feeling a bit of extra "frick you"ish today.

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frick you for being dumb enough to fall for the language and the very premise that charging less for a good or service is the same as giving away money.

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But the language is the only difference.

Please explain the difference if the net result is the same.

If you buy a car from me for $20k, and then I give $10k back, what's the difference if you just bought the car for $10k to begin with? The net result is the same: I'm up $10k and down a car, you're down $10k and up a car, either way. The only difference is a matter of perspective and information.

From my perspective, the car is worth $20k, so in either case I am giving you $10k.

From your perspective, if you bought the car for $20k without knowing I would give $10k back, then to you the car is worth $20k and the $10k was just given to you. If, instead, you did know I would give $10k back, then it's a matter of your opinion whether the car is worth $20k, $10k, or somewhere in between, and you basically have the choice of deciding how much of the $10k is a 'gift'. However, if this is the case, what difference is it to you whether we play out passing cash back and forth, if you know what the net result will be? It just makes it clear that from MY perspective, the $10k is a gift.


It seems to me that since you draw such a strong line between cutting checks and reducing tax bills, you must fall into the 'taxation is theft' crowd.

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Are they cutting a check for $750 million, or is it "reduce the projected tax bill by $750 million?" If it's the former, I got beef. If it's the latter, frick you for being dumb enough to fall for the language and the very premise that charging less for a good or service is the same as giving away money.

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Dude it's $750 MILLION. At 10%, that's $7.5 billion in profit to allow for that much of a tax break. NY is giving away some cold hard cash, homie.

I love how you've got 20 up votes and zero down votes for a project involving solar energy and yuuuge government subsidies.

Buncha liberals in here.

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If you buy a car from me for $20k, and then I give $10k back, what's the difference if you just bought the car for $10k to begin with? The net result is the same: I'm up $10k and down a car, you're down $10k and up a car, either way. The only difference is a matter of perspective and information.

From my perspective, the car is worth $20k, so in either case I am giving you $10k.

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Your scenario only works if the business would have been going to Buffalo anyway. New York isn't "down a car." They sold a car for $10k that laying around collecting dust and rust that nobody was going to buy in the first place.

This isn't hard to understand.