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re: Liberals quoting bible verses
Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:17 am to olddawg26
Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:17 am to olddawg26
I'm glad we have some many bible experts in here. I love how people cherry pick scripture, have never fully studied the bible, and then make comments condemning, mocking, or berating others. Knowing that a certain percentage of the refugees are and will become terrorists, rape, and pillage, why shouldn't we be careful? Why not just help them in other ways and not open our lands to radical Islam? What is wrong with pausing for a second and coming up with a plan to vet these people. It doesn't mean they can never come in, we just need a logical and safe plan in place. If America was ever in crisis, do you think Middle easterners would take us in by the thousands and give us the same rights as them. Would they let us continue being Christians or persecute us?
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:33 am to roadGator
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Except for that part where I do help the poor. Do I do enough to please God? Probably not. We can all do more. However, I don't preen about how others should be helping the poor. That would also be wrong according to God.
Perhaps your use of "you" was plural and not directed at me personally.
It was not intended as a direct statement to anyone in particular. My apologies if it came across as such. I neither know of your own contributions to assisting the needy, nor is it my place to judge your actions one way or another.
It is more along the lines of one group insisting they be able to legislate morality, then turning their backs on the other aspects of their own morality. This is true for all sides, not just Christians. I do feel Christians get a worse blunt of it because their defined morals are in a book, and therefor much more easily referenced, than, say, "Liberal morality" or "Atheistic morality". This isn't to imply that all liberals or all atheists have no morals - far from it - but rather there's no book or document that I an point to and say, "You're in opposition to your own morals." Christians do not have that same luxury.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:38 am to Lawyered
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All my timeline is liberals/atheists quoting Old Testament bible verses about taking in refugees
How about a New Testament verse? John 13:34-35 "A new command I give to you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know you are my disciples, if you love one another."
Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:41 am to HogFanfromHTown
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How about a New Testament verse? John 13:34-35 "A new command I give to you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know you are my disciples, if you love one another."
This is not referencing a government. You can donate your time and money to refugees all you want. You don't have to wait for the Feds to take your money from you.
I'm actually going to ask our church for recommendations for this very cause.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:47 am to roadGator
quote:True. but government is run by people; and that verse applies to all people who consider themselves christian.
This is not referencing a government.
This post was edited on 1/30/17 at 9:48 am
Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:56 am to HogFanfromHTown
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How about a New Testament verse?
"In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’"
The Samaritan did not take the perpetrators and victim into his home. He took the victim to a safe area and helped him. I don't think Jesus was saying take in the terrorist as well as the terrorized. I can't say what Jesus would absolutely have us do with the refugees. But the Parable of the Good Samaritan is the closest to this situation that Jesus directly spoke to. It would appear that safe zones are preferred over the possible importation of the evil into our homes.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:19 am to HogFanfromHTown
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but government is run by people; and that verse applies to all people who consider themselves christian.
So does the same apply to those government employees that try to abide by this command, Luke 16:15-16 "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned."
I believe this to anyone that isn't a believer would be cramming my religion down someone's throat. And even more than that, that whole separation of church and state the libs throw out there in these kind of arguments.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:24 am to Lawyered
I love watching all the misinformation coming out about Jesus and the Bible, especially from professing Christians. People who don't know a lick about theology except quotes from Benjamin Franklin are lecturing others about what Jesus would do.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:41 am to FooManChoo
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I love watching all the misinformation coming out about Jesus and the Bible, especially from professing Christians.
The Bible is an extremely difficult document. Scholars, theologians, believers, and unbelievers have and will debate it for millennia.
Look how much we debate a vastly more simple document, the Constitution.
How much more complex is the mind of God the creator of everything.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:51 am to Lawyered
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All my timeline is liberals/atheists quoting Old Testament bible verses about taking in refugees and things trying to guilt Christians
I do not understand why a Christian would pay any attention to the Old Testament. A large portion of the scriptures are clearly not true. I mean, 80 people growing into a nation of 2.5 million in 437 years? Do the math, it's impossible. The idea of atonement as a path to salvation was replaced with salvation by faith. Totally different religions.
But the Ten Commandments was a heckuva good movie, and the Book of Exodus is a great work of fiction.
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