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re: Liberal dems.. is the core of your beliefs that you want to make life more fair?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:01 pm to JG77056
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:01 pm to JG77056
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I kinda thought having the freedom to do what I want is about as good as it can possibly get.
Then you set the bar pretty low. What happens to your freedom to do what you want when it interferes with someone elses freedom to do what they want?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:01 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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I think the whole state of Connecticut thinks that way.
And Madison, Wisconsin... everybody there wants everyone to be miserable.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:03 pm to Rex
quote:In other words, "it isn't fair that some people have more than others, and there should be a minimum standard of living that I consider fair."
The core of my beliefs is that once a person is born into this country he is entitled to a decent, basic standard of living that this country is perfectly capable of providing.
Or, those who have more should provide for those who have less.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:05 pm to BigAppleTiger
quote:Not true. I'm genuinely interested.
I love these threads. How to make one:
1. Ask a disingenuous question
2. Feign interest in the actual answer
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:05 pm to Rex
quote:
The core of my beliefs is that once a person is born into this country he is entitled to a decent, basic standard of living that this country is perfectly capable of providing.
If this was the case, it would have been incorprated into the constitution.
Being entitled to a standard of living was not put in the constitution by our framers
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:07 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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that's definitely it. I'm dirt poor & miserable and so I want you to be, also. I think the whole state of Connecticut thinks that way.
Its more of entitled college liberals who major in some dumb major like theatre or women's studies or interpretive dance, then after graduating can't find a job in their field so they work at Starbucks for $10 an hour while being envious of the rich people they hate.
They hate the fact that their career path is worthless so they want to tear down those who chose wisely.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:09 pm to PrimeTime Money
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In other words, "it isn't fair that some people have more than others, and there should be a minimum standard of living that I consider fair."
Or, those who have more should provide for those who have less.
You are dealing with liberals here.
They think freedom is freedom from want, not freedom to do as you choose.
To liberals, they think being free is being taken care of and having basic necessities provided for you. They think that being free is being free from the necessity to work for life's basic necessities, and therefore being free to pursue their interests/dreams/talents without the burden of having to work to provide for themselves.
Unforutnately for liberals that is not what freedom means.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:12 pm to goldennugget
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To liberals, they think being free is being taken care of and having basic necessities provided for you. They think that being free is being free from the necessity to work for life's basic necessities, and therefore being free to pursue their interests/dreams/talents without the burden of having to work to provide for themselves.
What an utter load of horseshite. It's amazing that you truly believe that only people with your political beliefs can be hard working and self-sufficient. It's black and white low-brow thinking like this that gives both sides a bad name.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:13 pm to Rex
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once a person is born into this country he is entitled to a decent, basic standard of living that this country is perfectly capable of providing.
Who sets that standard? And the country provides nothing, taxpayers do. You are saying we are all entitled to what someone else has or produces. The producers are slaves to whatever standard the takers set? Brilliant....
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:14 pm to PrimeTime Money
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In other words, "it isn't fair that some people have more than others,
Those are your words, not mine. Those are your beliefs about what I believe, not what I actually believe. Sorry to burst your silly little bubble, but I think it's perfectly fair that some people have more than others.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:14 pm to goldennugget
you are nuts
and I mean that
and I mean that
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:18 pm to goldennugget
quote:so you think this is the majority class position of people in the state of Connecticut? I use CT because it is both the bluest and the most affluent state.
Its more of entitled college liberals who major in some dumb major like theatre or women's studies or interpretive dance, then after graduating can't find a job in their field so they work at Starbucks for $10 an hour while being envious of the rich people they hate.
More likely, you have invented a group of people that barely exists to support your warped view of liberals.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:18 pm to Tim
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Who sets that standard?
Citizens and their respresentatives, through a democratic process.
quote:
And the country provides nothing, taxpayers do.
You can't divorce the country from taxpayers.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:19 pm to goldennugget
quote:also, I'm pretty sure my degrees stack up with anyone's here.
They hate the fact that their career path is worthless so they want to tear down those who chose wisely.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:19 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:I'm convinced almost no one on this board has met a liberal before
More likely, you have invented a group of people that barely exists to support your warped view of liberals.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:20 pm to Rex
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The core of my beliefs is that once a person is born into this country he is entitled to a decent, basic standard of living that this country is perfectly capable of providing.
"by taking it from someone else."
Always the rub that.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:21 pm to Rex
quote:But you feel that some have more than they need and some do not have enough.
Those are your words, not mine. Those are your beliefs about what I believe, not what I actually believe. Sorry to burst your silly little bubble, but I think it's perfectly fair that some people have more than others.
And so those who have more should provide for those who have less than what you deem a fair standard.
Correct?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:22 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Life isn't fair, and you want to try to make it more fair through government.
Is that an accurate thesis of your beliefs?
Oversimplification at best. Certainly there are conservatives that hold this belief depending on where it is applied.
For instance: child lives in a home with rampant drug use and verbal abuse. Would removing that child and giving their custody to adoptive parents be considered a liberal belief only because you're trying to make their life "more fair?"
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:23 pm to goldennugget
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If this was the case, it would have been incorprated into the constitution.
Being entitled to a standard of living was not put in the constitution by our framers
I agree.
What was put into the US Constitution was the Right to pursue happiness which means you have to right to work hard to try to get the things that will make you happy.
It doesn't mean you have the Right to have the things that will make you happy.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:23 pm to BigAppleTiger
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What an utter load of horse shite. It's amazing that you truly believe that only people with your political beliefs can be hard working and self-sufficient. It's black and white low-brow thinking like this that gives both sides a bad name.
You misunderstood what I said
I was calling out how liberals definition of freedom is incorrect and misguided, not saying liberals don't work hard
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