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re: Liberal Boston fines old lady for not shoveling snow.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:57 am to tigersbh
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:57 am to tigersbh
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Is the sidewalk her property now?
By ordinance its her responsibility to clear the snow... everyone knows this or gets fined. Why a neighbor didn't help who knows... maybe before it wasn't an issue because she always took care of it.
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:03 am to Boudin
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It's walking like a duck
Not if the duck needs batteries.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:03 am to tigersbh
Sidewalk laws, in general, are fricked up. It sits in an easement that you don't own, but if a tree root causes it to buckle, and somebody trips and injures themself, they can sue you. Happened to my neighbor that lives behind me, and he's an attorney. Kid on a trike going down the hill on the sidewalk hit the edge of the walk that had cracked and lifted, fell off and crushed his cheekbone. The homeowner was sued by the kid's irresponsible parents who shouldn't have let the kid go barrel-assed down a hill on a tricycle without a helmet. Because he didn't repair it or contact the city to repair it or block it off until it was repaired, he was held liable because the city ordinance assigns responsibility to homeowners to repair it or report it to be repaired.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:03 am to Zephyrius
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By ordinance its her responsibility to clear the snow... everyone knows this or gets fined. Why a neighbor didn't help who knows... maybe before it wasn't an issue because she always took care of it.
Maybe they'll pass an ordinance requiring people to clean the toilets at the courthouse.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 8:07 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:03 am to Zephyrius
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maybe before it wasn't an issue because she always took care of it.
the snowstorm in question was an icy mess for a few hours in south Boston so there was something like 6 inches of snow on top of a layer of ice
and this came a couple days after a ~12 inch snowstorm which was mostly powder and easy to clean up
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:06 am to baytiger
If the argument is the city's pedestrians need the sidewalks then wouldn't it be a city issue? Why fine her. If it's her property, what are pedestrians doing on it?
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 8:09 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:12 am to BBONDS25
Given the option for higher property taxes for snow removal and this ordinance, the residents will choose this ordinance every time
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:16 am to baytiger
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Given the option for higher property taxes for snow removal and this ordinance
i'm just asking since you seem to know a little about the situation, what about ice or rain on the sidewalks making them hazardous also? Is this just a snow ordinance or an all inclusive safety ordinance?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:23 am to HubbaBubba
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Sidewalk laws, in general, are fricked up. It sits in an easement that you don't own, but if a tree root causes it to buckle, and somebody trips and injures themself, they can sue you.
And in this instance I would agree with you 100%... definite need of "user beware" law/ responsibility in those instances.
But clearing the snow off sidewalks in populated areas being the homeowner's responsibility is very practical if you have spent anytime where regular seasonal snow occurs.
I happened to be north of DC when they had 30" of snow last year... everyone was out clearing snow off of sidewalks. A homeowner who had a snow plow would gladly plow snow from neighbors who were hand shoveling when he was done with his own sidewalk.
I spent some time the last few year between Boston and DC... For the most part the people are pretty awesome but also scratch my head why their politics are so screwed up.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:26 am to Homesick Tiger
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what about ice or rain on the sidewalks making them hazardous also? Is this just a snow ordinance or an all inclusive safety ordinance?
It's just snow and ice.
Although you can be fined for obstructing the sidewalk in other ways... like leaving equipment or parking there. I've been hit with the parking one because I wasn't all the way in my friend's driveway.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:28 am to Zephyrius
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I happened to be north of DC when they had 30" of snow last year... everyone was out clearing snow off of sidewalks. A homeowner who had a snow plow would gladly plow snow from neighbors who were hand shoveling when he was done with his own sidewalk.
Neighbors helping neighbors - that's nice. But I still say it's unconstitutional to make people shovel snow off public property.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:33 am to Zephyrius
quote:Okay, I get that. Outside of this woman's age and inability to chip out ice on her own, I'm one of those people who travel for business a lot. Many times I'm inserted into military operations where I have no communication with the outside world. It sorta sucks that I would be held liable for an act of nature while I was not in a position to deal with it. Gotta be many people like me out there
But clearing the snow off sidewalks in populated areas being the homeowner's responsibility is very practical if you have spent anytime where regular seasonal snow occurs.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 8:35 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:41 am to HubbaBubba
so you have a couple of options.. pay someone to do it while you're gone or don't live in Boston. Congrats on choosing the latter
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:42 am to Zephyrius
We have to do it here in Duluth, too. I've not seen a ticket for it, but they are militant about not parking in your own driveway such that you block the sidewalk.
It would really suck if they were aggressive with me. I live in a corner, and on one side of the house, the sidewalk is right against the street. When the the plow comes by, I can have 2-3 feet of dirt and ice encrusted crap all the way down that sidewalk.
I keep the other one pretty clear. Not that hard when it's fresh snow. Blower mows right through it.
What I don't get is why there is not a bigger deal made about her brother picking up the tab. It's his insurance company that raised the fine from residential $50 to commercial $200.
It would really suck if they were aggressive with me. I live in a corner, and on one side of the house, the sidewalk is right against the street. When the the plow comes by, I can have 2-3 feet of dirt and ice encrusted crap all the way down that sidewalk.
I keep the other one pretty clear. Not that hard when it's fresh snow. Blower mows right through it.
What I don't get is why there is not a bigger deal made about her brother picking up the tab. It's his insurance company that raised the fine from residential $50 to commercial $200.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:43 am to tigersbh
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How can the city force anyone to shovel snow?
You know how I can tell you've never lived in the North?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:50 am to Ag Zwin
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What I don't get is why there is not a bigger deal made about her brother picking up the tab. It's his insurance company that raised the fine from residential $50 to commercial $200.
Yeah, I was a bit confused about that too, but then I saw the pictures and it was pretty obvious. The little old lady with a snowshovel is a better photo op to prompt social media response like this thread.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:17 pm to baytiger
I'd tell them to STTDB and then never pay the fine.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:20 pm to baytiger
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or from the 1/3 of the city who doesn't own a car and depends on safe sidewalks to walk to public transportation to get to work every day.
A foot of snow isn't a major inconvenience. Walk through it.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:23 pm to baytiger
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There was 12+ inches of snow on the sidewalk. If she can't do it herself, she can pay some enterprising high school kid to do it for her.
Boston is a pedestrian-friendly city that gets snowstorms, so ordinances like this one are necessary for the public. If you don't like it, don't live here.
Liberal thuggery at its finest here people.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:23 pm to tigersbh
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Neighbors helping neighbors - that's nice. But I still say it's unconstitutional to make people shovel snow off public property[/quot they can make you cut your grass if they deem it too high. frick a city.
Neighbors helping neighbors - that's nice. But I still say it's unconstitutional to make people shovel snow off public property[/quot they can make you cut your grass if they deem it too high. frick a city.
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