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Let's talk about the "Skinny Repeal"
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:12 am
It's looking more and more likely that the only thing that may be able to pass the Senate is the so-called "Skinny Repeal". It does three very specific things and nothing else.
- repeals the 2.3% medical device tax
- eliminates the penalty for not having coverage
- eliminates the employer mandate for providing insurance if you have over 50 employees
That's all this bill would do. Nothing else. No reduction in medicaid. Insurance is still guaranteed for pre-existing conditions. Insurance companies will still get subsidies to keep rates down.
If this passes how will you celebrate and act like it's a victory? If so why? How will getting rid of any of these three provisions specifically help you?
- repeals the 2.3% medical device tax
- eliminates the penalty for not having coverage
- eliminates the employer mandate for providing insurance if you have over 50 employees
That's all this bill would do. Nothing else. No reduction in medicaid. Insurance is still guaranteed for pre-existing conditions. Insurance companies will still get subsidies to keep rates down.
If this passes how will you celebrate and act like it's a victory? If so why? How will getting rid of any of these three provisions specifically help you?
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:13 am to Haughton99
It's just a paper victory for Trump & pals.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:14 am to Haughton99
Skinny Repeal seems more like an attempt to get "a win" when it comes to healthcare legislation
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:16 am to Haughton99
Well, all those things should be repealed but it's still not enough.
But remember, the only reason this needs to happen is for the thing to go to conference committee
But remember, the only reason this needs to happen is for the thing to go to conference committee
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:19 am to Haughton99
Strip this bitch down piece by piece. IDGAF.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:19 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Well, all those things should be repealed but it's still not enough.
Maybe, but only doing those three things and nothing else makes a bad situation much worse, not better.
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But remember, the only reason this needs to happen is for the thing to go to conference committee
I think you may be right but if they can't get 50 votes for any bill that does more than these three things what makes anyone think they can get 50 votes from whatever comes out of committee?
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:21 am to Haughton99
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repeals the 2.3% medical device tax
- eliminates the penalty for not having coverage
- eliminates the employer mandate for providing insurance if you have over 50 employees
I have no problem with this, altho the only one I'm effected by is the 2.3% tax.
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No reduction in medicaid.
Once entitlements are handed out they can never be taken back by either party. No law but thats just the way it is.
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Insurance is still guaranteed for pre-existing conditions.
This is the only item that was nearly universally approved of wit h ACA. It's not going anywhere.
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Insurance companies will still get subsidies to keep rates down.
They are getting subsidies but rates are not being kept down. Rates are climbing. Once you understand that the way liberals and now conservatives are going about "fixing" health care in not about health care but about insurance companies making more money you'll understand that neither party is looking out for the health of Americans.
P.S. you should also stop strutting around like a peacock because the country is falling apart and politicians care more about themselves than doing what they were elected to do.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:21 am to Haughton99
baby step in the right direction with a marathon in front of us
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:25 am to Haughton99
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No reduction in medicaid.
Won't
Ever
Happen
Book it
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:27 am to Snipe
quote:The more you bifurcate ACA into keeping the popular parts and ditching the unpopular parts, the worse you make death spirals.
This is the only item that was nearly universally approved of wit h ACA. It's not going anywhere.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:28 am to Snipe
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I have no problem with this, altho the only one I'm effected by is the 2.3% tax.
Not true. The mandate keeping more young healthy people in the market affects you also. If those people leave the market because the mandate is removed, your premiums will go up.
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Once entitlements are handed out they can never be taken back by either party. No law but thats just the way it is.
I agree
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This is the only item that was nearly universally approved of wit h ACA. It's not going anywhere.
And if you keep it and remove the mandate everyone is gonna be paying much higher premiums.
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They are getting subsidies but rates are not being kept down. Rates are climbing. Once you understand that the way liberals and now conservatives are going about "fixing" health care in not about health care but about insurance companies making more money you'll understand that neither party is looking out for the health of Americans.
Rates were climbing before Obamacare. The rate of climb is what we should all be concerned with. This skinny repeal would speed up that rate if it were to become law.
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P.S. you should also stop strutting around like a peacock because the country is falling apart and politicians care more about themselves than doing what they were elected to do.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:29 am to Haughton99
I prefer them addressing a few issues at a time instead of trying to push through large, all encompassing bills.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:29 am to Shepherd88
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Strip this bitch down piece by piece. IDGAF.
Even if it makes your insurance more expensive you DGAF?
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:33 am to Haughton99
It won't make my insurance more expensive than it's going currently (especially when the carriers eliminate themselves). I can guarantee you that.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:37 am to Shepherd88
Congress apparently doesn't know what repeal means? so it's the teacher's fault
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:38 am to Shepherd88
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It won't make my insurance more expensive than it's going currently (especially when the carriers eliminate themselves). I can guarantee you that.
Explain. How will eliminating young healthier adults from the insurance pool not make insurance for the rest of us more expensive? How will if stop carriers from eliminating themselves?
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:39 am to junkfunky
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I prefer them addressing a few issues at a time instead of trying to push through large, all encompassing bills.
It's not that they are avoiding a larger bill. This is literally all they can possibly agree on and get passed.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:41 am to Haughton99
Good. Nobody should be required to buy a product for no other reason than they are a citizen. Let people contract freely with insurance companies. What you want isn't insurance.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:45 am to Haughton99
quote:Agreed, it doesn't go near far enough.
That's all this bill would do. Nothing else. No reduction in medicaid. Insurance is still guaranteed for pre-existing conditions. Insurance companies will still get subsidies to keep rates down.
quote:Yes.
If this passes how will you celebrate and act like it's a victory?
quote:For the same reason people who would prefer single payer were happy Obamacare passed vs failed.
If so why?
Democrats have long understood the value of incrementally moving towards a goal while Republicans have this tendency to be all or nothing.
I'd prefer total repeal. BUT, I'm always fully aware that the government basically has never totally repealed a goodie in one fell swoop in the history of the world.
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How will getting rid of any of these three provisions specifically help you?
Frankly, this question represents 99% of what is wrong with politics. Perhaps 100%
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:45 am to BBONDS25
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Good. Nobody should be required to buy a product for no other reason than they are a citizen. Let people contract freely with insurance companies. What you want isn't insurance.
That's a very noble position. When it results in higher premiums for everyone else, including you, you will be ok with that?
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