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re: Legislature says no to mandatory sex education in public schools
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:49 pm to RoyMcavoy
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:49 pm to RoyMcavoy
quote:I'm actually fine with this with a caveat.
With that being said, if sex ed is taught in public schools and a parent doesn't want their child to participate, they can simply write a note to the school and their child can skip it.
My oldest was in multiple schools across her 12 years prior to college. In ALL of that time, I received myriad permission slips.
BUT, when the school had a planned "health" class scheduled for my 3rd grader(yes, 3rd grade), they sent home an "opt out" form. That is the ONLY opt out form I ever got from ANY school.
Now, anyone who has been in schools for more than a day knows that permission slips get lost all the damned time. Especially when we're talking 3rd graders. Knowing this, The choice of the school to go with an "opt out" form had very clear motivation which told me by itself that I should not my child take part. Any school that consciously takes action to hopefully have some children bypass parents is telling me that they don't give a frick what I think. I damned sure aint trusting them on sex ed if that's the case!
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:51 pm to swampdawg
quote:Schools don't exist to solve all of society's problems. There are a host of things schools don't teach that are problems in society. Does their absence in the curriculum mean no one gets to bitch about these problems?
If it's not your problem then you should never bitch about your tax dollars going to support those who are born into this cycle.
Your assertion is plainly illogical.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:02 pm to ShortyRob
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Too many teachers think it's their job to overcome parental thinking
You are probably right, but in this case, I believe the children who could benefit from this are those who's parents likely don't think much or give a shite.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:16 pm to ShortyRob
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Schools don't exist to solve all of society's problems. There are a host of things schools don't teach that are problems in society. Does their absence in the curriculum mean no one gets to bitch about these problems?
Your assertion is plainly illogical.
Maybe so.
I am just saying that the "it's not my problem" attitude is short-sighted in this circumstance. What is wrong with someone educating children about things their parents will not in many cases?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:24 pm to ShortyRob
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The question I asked when the principal explained to me how generic the curriculum was was simple. "Sir, can you guarantee me that if, during one of these classes, my daughter goes to the teacher with a question that falls outside of the curriculum that the teacher will give the ONLY proper answer? Namely, "that is something you should talk to your parents about".
So if your kid asked his physics teacher about general relativity - which falls outside the curriculum of high school physics - you would want the teacher to refer your kid to you for the answer?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
Did you really just compare physics to sexual education?? What a dumbass.....
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:24 pm to swampdawg
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You are probably right, but in this case, I believe the children who could benefit from this are those who's parents likely don't think much or give a shite.
Unfortunately, a lot of those students are at schools where they barely learn to read and write. I doubt those schools will do any better when it comes to informing them of the risks of casual sex.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:03 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Don't be retarded. Views on sexual morality and/or sexual behavior vary widely among parents. what a fricking stupid comparison.
So if your kid asked his physics teacher about general relativity - which falls outside the curriculum of high school physics - you would want the teacher to refer your kid to you for the answer?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:11 pm to swampdawg
South gonna South
Pregnancy rates gonna rise
Pregnancy rates gonna rise
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:29 pm to ShortyRob
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Don't be retarded. Views on sexual morality and/or sexual behavior vary widely among parents. what a fricking stupid comparison.
You're just a stupid fundie who thinks Jesus rode dinosaurs so it doesn't matter what you think
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:32 pm to The Pirate King
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Posted by The Pirate King I don't understand who wouldn't want their kids to learn about sex from a biological and safe standpoint, as opposed to an awkward talk from mom and dad, or from siblings or friends. You know how much misinformation is spread by 12-13 year olds and up?
My son's school offered sex education and it required parental consent. The school sent home the curriculum and I agreed with it so he attended and we discussed it at home as well. It seems this is a healthy common sense way to do it.
FTR, I also told my son not to believe anything his buddies told him about sex. He's asked me if some funny shite was true! Haha
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:32 pm to fleaux
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Did you really just compare physics to sexual education?? What a dumbass.....
I'm pretty sure biology and physics are both pure sciences.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:35 pm to ShortyRob
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Don't be retarded.
Don't be offensive to the mentally handicapped.
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Views on sexual morality and/or sexual behavior vary widely among parents.
Great. I didn't say otherwise. Obviously teachers should avoid answering questions of morality in ALL subject matters (unless its universal - like - the holocaust was bad for instance) - not just biology. Kinda goes without saying I thought.
The question you put was to anything outside the strict curriculum offered. So if your kid asks the teacher for information about an STD not covered by the curriculum - the answer should be to ask your parents?
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:36 pm to swampdawg
What if people decide that they don't want their kids hearing about other every-day things from a scientific perspective? What if parents don't want their kids learning about ancient history?
We're not talking about a situation where teachers play a porn video and tell kids about doin' the nasty. It's just part of biology at an age when kids should start to have a grasp on animal biology. I don't understand why parents would want their children to be ignorant about biology of mammals?
Having said that, it's really not that big of a deal to me either way. I'll be sure to teach my kids what little I know.
We're not talking about a situation where teachers play a porn video and tell kids about doin' the nasty. It's just part of biology at an age when kids should start to have a grasp on animal biology. I don't understand why parents would want their children to be ignorant about biology of mammals?
Having said that, it's really not that big of a deal to me either way. I'll be sure to teach my kids what little I know.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:37 pm to Asgard Device
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We're not talking about a situation where teachers play a porn video and tell kids about doin' the nasty. It's just part of biology at an age when kids should start to have a grasp on animal biology. I don't understand why parents would want their children to be ignorant about biology of mammals?
Because they want them to grow up to be just like them.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:46 pm to Asgard Device
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I don't understand why parents would want their children to be ignorant about biology of mammals
Should institute mandatory 4H curriculum.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:18 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:Which was the point of what I asked the principal and I actually gave examples to him. I really didn't figure I'd have to spell it all out for you. Sorry I overestimated you.
Great. I didn't say otherwise. Obviously teachers should avoid answering questions of morality in ALL subject matters
quote:Except the principal in fact admitted it apparently didn't "go without saying".
Kinda goes without saying I thought.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:23 am to OleWar
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Should institute mandatory 4H curriculum.
this would be an excellent, although very expensive, way to teach about sex education.
I think sex education should be taught in schools, hell, I think condoms should be given to students in schools. Kids are going to have sex. Our parents had sex when they were teenagers. We had sex when we were teenagers. Our children and grandchildren will have sex when they are teenagers.
Give them the tools and knowledge not to become a burden to society.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:30 am to Hawkeye95
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I think condoms should be given to students in schools.
Go ahead and encourage them.
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Give them the tools and knowledge not to become a burden to society.
Sure. No need to teach them anything different. Maybe a better way.
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