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re: Latest developments all but confirm that Trump was spied on by/for Obama
Posted on 4/13/17 at 7:45 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 4/13/17 at 7:45 pm to Navytiger74
Just stop. League has beat you and stop making a fool of yourself.
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 7:50 pm to League Champs
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So that leaves only one Trump associate that these agencies could have been spying on, and providing that Intel to the US intel. His name
Well maybe. But I think what happened is once Trump brought these people onto his campaign, Obama ordered NSA/CIA to "investigate" them.
Keep in mind that everything NSA (and GCHQ) collects is saved and stored on server farms in Utah. All these NSA analysts had to do was go to their computer terminals and run an "intellipedia" search (yes, they call it that) and dig up old conversations these people had with whomever. So, at that point they can say "A-ha, Manafort was in Ukraine last year."
Ed Snowden talked about this a lot. He mentioned how what worried him the most was that NSA could "go back in time" on anyone and dig up dirt. Everything they collect is stored. Humans don't have time to look or listen to it all -- they need to know what to be looking for.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 7:56 pm to Navytiger74
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There's no indication that "associate" is limited to then-current paid members of the campaign. It could have been business associates advising the campaign. Or various associates who would go on to join the campaign. I doubt whoever drafted these stories (which use associates and "team" almost interchangeably) applied the terms only to formal members of Trump's 2016 campaign team.
Boogieman straw man.
So, a friend of a friend of a friend who once rented an airbnb from Manafort in the Ukraine...you are a smart guy; there is no possible fricking way you believe this.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:And they will be as proud as a peacock. Just like Spauling Smalls laughing at the IRS thread today Of Obama targeting his political opponents.
Obama politicized federal agencies for the benefit of the Dems. In a year or so, it will be his legacy.
Obama is a POS thug, that brought radical ideals to the WH. The most ironic part is Michelle Obama saying they go high.
The only high they go, is toking on maui wowie Hawaiian weed in a bong.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:06 pm to cajunangelle
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The only high they go, is toking on maui wowie Hawaiian weed in a bong.
You ever hit that Maui Wowie, CA?
I got to say the shite the kids are smoking these days ain't the Mexican shwag I was getting in high school.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:17 pm to DeltaDoc
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I bet Obama wiretapped all front runner GOP candidates
Nope just the wild card who aren't a part of the uniparty that owns Obama.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Obama politicized federal agencies for the benefit of the Dems. In a year or so, it will be his legacy.
Yep.
And a very, very shameful legacy at that and democrats would be well advised to to try to make amends for it.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yet people are tying Trump associates actions to Trump.
That's usually what happens when considering the actions of subordinates and their leader. Don't surround yourself with shady people.
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You can't have it both ways.
No one is. They are completely different on a fundamental level.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:16 pm to Navytiger74
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Or various associates who would go on to join the campaign.
This may be the only point that you and I agree on
This is a classic misdirection play by the IC. No one expected Trump to win. No one. So when the results came in, they had to find a boogeyman,. They were afraid Trump might stumble across their intel, so they had to have a reason that the Brits were supplying intel on Trump, because it would have been illegal for the IC to initiate that
So they backtracked on anyone that so much as attended a function with Russia, and claimed that they were just collecting 'incidental' data, because of their Russian ties. That's why Rice was unmasking like a mofo after Nov., so she could try to connect dots and point blame to associates. And that's why every Obama official that anyone would bother to quote, claimed not so much as a spark of Russian collusion
They didnt want to piss off Trump, and go to jail. But Trump was pissed
. . . . and then he tweeted
1) Trump 'incidental' intel started as soon as he became the clear front runner in late 2015
2) The named Trump associates were not even members of the Trump team during that span
3) Rice greatly increased her interest AFTER the election results
4) Brits vehemently denied they were involved, yet we now know they started the whole affair. Plus the Judge got his job back at FoxNews, while sticking to his story
5) And Comey and Clapper have now lied under oath about collecting intel against American citizens. They just use foreign IC to funnel info to them on Americans
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yet people are tying Trump associates actions to Trump. You can't have it both ways.
That is absurd.
When you hire someone to do a job and they do it that is tied to you or anybody else who ever makes a successful hire.
If the person is doing something on the side you have no reasonable way of knowing about that is not tied to you.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:41 pm to League Champs
Talking to the Russians during the campaign. Obama Admin was right.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:19 pm to League Champs
Did any of you conclusion jumpers read the articles? They dont reference Omama involvement
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:05 am to Ted2010
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Talking to the Russians during the campaign.
And that's when all of this falls apart for your side
You cant match the dates of 'incidental' intel, to the accused players on Trump's team. Riddle me this Batman. Name those people that were talking to the Russian govt from Trump's team in late 2015, that would have required the Brits to report them to Obama's IC?
I'll hang up and listen
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:08 am to Bullethead88
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They don't reference Obama involvement
Well, of course not. It's CNN and a UK paper that is finally admitting their people started the surveillance
But the next question that you don't want to ask, is why was that intel carried over to the WH, if there was no spark of collusion between Trump and the Russians (per Obama officials)?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:14 am to League Champs
Why do y'all think they he spied on him?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:20 am to League Champs
One of the best summaries I've seen 
to you, mate
to you, mate Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:22 am to League Champs
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:25 am to League Champs
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Riddle me this Batman. Name those people that were talking to the Russian govt from Trump's team in late 2015, that would have required the Brits to report them to Obama's IC?
Indeed riddle me that.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:33 am to crewdepoo
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Why do y'all think they he spied on him?
1) he had no political skeletons, no favors owed, and was a devout nationalist. They needed to get dirt, because they had none
2) he was laughed at about his intention to be president. Once the public showed support, they were caught unawares
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