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re: Jon Huntsman: Gay marriage is inevitable.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:33 pm to BuckyBadger
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:33 pm to BuckyBadger
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I'll accept your deflection to me as tacit admission his position isn't neutral or that very few people would consider it that.
If statements of fact aren't neutral, nothing is neutral.
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:36 pm to the808bass
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If statements of fact aren't neutral, nothing is neutral.
What you said is not fact. There have been numerous studies relating to the reproductive system of a mother in relation to the chances of her child being born gay. There doesn't have to be a "gay gene" for the hormonal balance of a woman to affect whether a child is born gay or not.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:37 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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There doesn't have to be a "gay gene" for the hormonal balance of a woman to affect whether a child is born gay or not.
So it's your position that the hormonal level in the womb is the key determinant in determining homosexuality?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:38 pm to the808bass
quote:Except his statement isn't a fact. You have simply used genetics when there could be alternative explanations why someone is born gay. And there is no conclusive proof genetics isn't part of it as well. Pretending we know everything is demonstrable false. So, anyone making a conclusive statement like his isn't neutral.
If statements of fact aren't neutral, nothing is neutral.
Good to see you ignoring basic theories which include brain structure and prenatal hormones.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:40 pm to the808bass
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So it's your position that the hormonal level in the womb is the key determinant in determining homosexuality?
I think it can play a large role.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:41 pm to BuckyBadger
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And there is no conclusive proof genetics isn't part of it as well
If genetics is only part of it, then there's no gay gene (and it is only part of it and there is no gay gene). And the propaganda that's been hammered at us for the last thirty years are lies.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:42 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I think it can play a large role.
I, too, think it can play a role. So now we have a complex situation which involves genetics, hormonal levels in the womb and nurture. Yes?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:43 pm to the808bass
quote:Awesome. But your continuation of this line of debate merely shows you are unwilling to admit his statement was not neutral.
If genetics is only part of it, then there's no gay gene (and it is only part of it and there is no gay gene). And the propaganda that's been hammered at us for the last thirty years are lies.
Propaganda? Nothing gay or science compares to the propaganda put out by the Christian Right. Nothing.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:45 pm to BuckyBadger
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Propaganda? Nothing gay or science compares to the propaganda put out by the Christian Right. Nothing.
Awesome. And irrelevant.
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But your continuation of this line of debate merely shows you are unwilling to admit his statement was not neutral.
I disagree. It may offend the dominant narrative. It makes it no less neutral objectively. It only appears to be non-neutral to the non-neutral.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:45 pm to the808bass
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I, too, think it can play a role. So now we have a complex situation which involves genetics, hormonal levels in the womb and nurture. Yes?
Idk how much nurture plays a role, but hormonal levels in the womb and genetics I think do play a role.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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How fast do you think polygamy tolerance will be accepted?
Probably not a large enough minority group to gain much traction
Everyone knows a few gay people even though they're in the minority.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:46 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Idk how much nurture plays a role
You don't know or you don't want to know?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:47 pm to the808bass
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You don't know or you don't want to know?
Literally nobody knows conclusively. I don't think it plays as large a role as what goes on in the womb. That's simply my opinion based upon my personal experiences.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:52 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Literally nobody knows conclusively.
I'd argue this but not to the death.
I know of no behavior or human activity which is not subject to the influence of nurture. I see no good reason to except sexuality and sexual attraction from that.
quote:I'd suggest that the discordance rates for homosexuality in twins is a strong argument against this.
I don't think it plays as large a role as what goes on in the womb.
You're a civil person (probably moreso than me) and it is noticed.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:59 pm to the808bass
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You're a civil person (probably moreso than me) and it is noticed
Mickey's good people, put up with my dumb arse.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 6:12 pm to the808bass
quote:Oh. Propaganda is only relevant when you don't like the message. You brought up propaganda as if it is one sided.
Awesome. And irrelevant.
I'm not offended. Saying something we don't know conclusively about is a lie isn't neutral. Calling something a lie is the exact opposite of neutral. Some people may indeed be born gay. Some may not. Saying being born gay is a lie is just not neutral. No matter how you try to spin it.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 6:16 pm to BuckyBadger
quote:It's quite conclusive there is no gay gene. The best there may be is a gene or complex set of genes that present a strong correlation.
Saying something we don't know conclusively about is a lie isn't neutral.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 6:17 pm to BuckyBadger
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Propaganda is only relevant when you don't like the message.
Propaganda is only relevant when it's directly connected to this issue.
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Saying something we don't know conclusively about is a lie isn't neutral.
Is the statement "homosexuality is genetic" a lie?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 6:20 pm to BuckyBadger
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Some people may indeed be born gay. Some may not.
I'm open to this being a false choice, and that both kinds can exist.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 6:35 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:do you read this board? People care a lot.
Nobody gives a shite any more but the hard core bible thumpers.
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