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Correlate. Demostrate cause and effect.

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Article of what happened at the innaguaral protests/riots

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Protesters and police said the violent activists were acting independently of organized opposition to Trump.

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The Disrupt J20 group on Twitter said its anger was not directed only at Trump, and that it would also have demonstrated had Democrat Hillary Clinton won the election last November.

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Democratic officials, including Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser, condemned the violence.

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Black-clad activists among hundreds of demonstrators protesting Donald Trump's swearing-in on Friday clashed with police a few blocks from the White House, in an outburst of violence rare for an inauguration.

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black bloc anarchist group responsible for riots.

another article explaining black bloc and police saying theirs a difference between them and the protestors

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Law enforcement officials acknowledge the difference, too.

“What they’re doing is they’re taking advantage of the legitimate protesters to destroy things and emphasize their anarchist roots,” David Gomez, a former senior FBI counterterrorism official in Seattle, told The Washington Post after the anti-Trump protests in November.

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It would appear that these anarchist types are stealing the show so to speak from the peaceful protestors. Then people like you say that this was the work of the democratic party because of where the incited their riots.

So since i presented evidence to the contray of your theory that the democrats orchestrated these protests can you provide me with any damning evidence to the contrary?

I would say i have demonstrated correlation, cause, and effect for you. Let me guess, though. somehow i am dense and blind and fooled.

Interesting how i keep presenting you with information that contradicts your claim, but you can't provide me with ANY evidence democrats started the riots.

Eta: Here's another one for you.

oh and fox news discusses and confirms the other information i posted.

So are you still convinced it was the democrats who organized and started these riots? If so, there's nothing i can do to change your mind and it doesn't matter because there's overwhelming evidence disproving your theory.


Like i said, these people weren't associated with the scheduled peaceful protests just like the extremists on obamas election nights weren't directed to be assholes and criminals by republicans.

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If you would just stop with the equivalence argument you would find a lot of common ground. Because there is no equivalence. Period. End of story.

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Yes there is no equivalence that the left uses violence as a tool like ylu falsely claimed this entire time, right?

I love how you can't even admit you were wrong. The equivalency is there, and it's true. Random spouts of violence by extremists (on both sides of the table) did happen after the obama and trump elections. That's what i have been saying. I believe i phrased it that both sides have extremists that dissent from the main party. However, your assertion that the left is the only party that uses violence as a tool was proven false.

Do you know why i am taking the time to tell you this? Because maybe next time you should do some actual research of your own before calling someone dense, idiotic, a fool, etc. You were so smug and condesending to me (without any evidence) it was ridiculous.

So maybe consider my original point to all of this. Both sides have their issues, but the only way to have an honest discussion is to listen to each other and not damn an entire side for the actions of a few. Do more research from multiple sources (not just alt right conservative news) next time before calling someone else a liar about what is actually happening in the world.

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And kudos to those who peacefully demonstrated. Dissent is healthy for the Republic. Anarchy and riots are not. It is that simple.

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Yeah considering that's what i said originally i find it humorous you're now preaching it to me. Thank you for finally realizing that i was correct though. I do appreciate it.

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I truly want to have a discussion with you. But you are a special kind of dumbass. You have absolutely no grasp of the concept of correlation (the ability to demonstrate how one act relates to another) or apply cause and effect. These are simple concepts you cannot seem to understand or apply. You want to (instead) justify the actions of Leftists and say they are equivalent to opposition from the Right. You focus on fragmented pieces of information and desperately try to weave them into an (incoherent) whole that (in some bizarre form of alternate reality) justifies your worldview. This is what a child does. Stop focusing on what individuals on the Right have done (there are plenty of idiots on this end of the spectrum - I am well aware). Focus on what an orchestrated movement on the Left is doing (these are not random individual acts - these are well planned acts of violence that are attempting to undermine a Constitutionally elected government). These are a danger to our Liberties, regardless as to your political affiliation.

You are killing me with your inability to reason like an adult.

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Focus on what an orchestrated movement on the Left is doing (these are not random individual acts - these are well planned acts of violence that are attempting to undermine a Constitutionally elected government)

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i am dumb yet i proved you wrong. It's not the left doing this you jackass. Read all the links. I proved with facts (see all my links) the the rioters were actually affiliated with anarchist groups and not the left. The other protesters who were arrested were not part of the scheduled/organized protests.

Typical i call you out prove, you wrong, and you throw insults at me. Par for the course with your kind of person.

So since i am so dumb give me one shred of proof that the left organized acts of violence during the protests. Instead of spouting off unfounded claims give me one article, link, police report that says that. You keep saying yet where's your facts. The person who's hurling insults can't even prove his own point, but i am the dumbass

This just keeps getting better and better. I didn't realize you trump supporters lived in this much denial. Until you can prove me wrong with facts youre just a rambling conspiracy theorist clinging to baseless claims that fit some narrative you made up. You say i live in an alternative reality yet when presented with actual reality you seem to not accept it. Funny how that works.

So I'll wait for your proof that what you're saying is indeed accurate. Those "leftist" groups are extremists not affiliated with the democratic party. In fact they were condemned by the democrats, publically, as i linked before.

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You want to (instead) justify the actions of Leftists and say they are equivalent to opposition from the Right

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Making up nonsense again. Quote me where i said that violence was justified or ok. Tell me where i said i agreed with protests based on the person you liked lost. In fact you can't because my whole argument was the opposite of that. I have made no attempts to justify any actions other than the grounds that peaceful protesting (for a reason like executive order travel bans) is fine and should be done to keep the govt aware its citizens are paying attention. You agreed with that.

However i dont agree protesting travel bans peacefully is indicative of this:

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What you are seeing from the Left is Fascism, plain and simple. Political thugs.

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You called an entire group of people fascists when that is not the case. You made a blanket statement about a minority of a group and applied it to all of them. My point was i could make a blanket statement calling all conservatives racist and violent because of the misguided actions of few, but i dont think those blanket statements are productive to having a conversation. Somehow you still maintain these types of blanket statements work when they obviously dont.

The democratic party is not committing these orchestrated acts of violence. I proved that to you already. The organized violence was from some extremist group funded by anarchists. These people publicly stated they would have protested a hillary win too. Were there other unsanctioned protests that were violent? Yes, but where on earth did you find proof these were promoted or orchestrated by any political party (presumably democrats). How many times have i requested facts one bit of truth to prove this. What have you come up with to prove it? Insults and deflection. Then you turn around and call me a child. Instead of name calling link me your proof dude. Ill wait for it. It won't ever come but ill gladly read something to substantiate your claim that somehow this violence was indeed organized by the democrats.

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I do supprt people protesting a president's policy based on the fact it could be discriminatory or unconstitutional.

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I will take that a step further and say a president's policy doesn't have to be discriminatory or unconstitutional in order for people to protest. You can simply oppose a policy. You may not be for school choice - you are free to protest. You were being disingenuous about those photos being about people protesting President Obama's election. At least one of them seems to be about Obamacare. Also, the KKK. Seriously? Who gives a rat's arse about the KKK? Why don't we talk about who the Black Panther's support, or the Weather Underground? That has about as much relevance...

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And i don't support destruction of property or police violence in any instance

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This is where the left has stepped over the line. The left is destroying on a weekly basis and, attempting to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. They claim that hate speech has no place in American dialogue, and only they get to define what hate speech is...

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Conservatives are not violent people and true liberals are generally not violent.

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I agree and said this many times.

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Your liberal terminology has gone through the leftist stage and is entering the anarchy stage.

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What do you mean by this statement?

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You were being disingenuous about those photos being about people protesting President Obama's election. At least one of them seems to be about Obamacare

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I've already had this discussion. Perhaps i wasn't clear before. i was saying the violence is similar to what we saw when obama was elected, and these violent people are not associated with the peaceful organized and scheduled protests. That's literally the entire argument here that somehow the the entire "left", which includes democrats, have been roped in to the violence of a few extremist groups. My point was to make blanket statements like that i could say all the conservatives are violent because of the actions of a few. It's better to understand the reason for the protests instead of discrediting them all as violent people when they were only the actions of a small minority of extremists.

Did republicans go in the street and peacefully organize against obama? No. Did a certain subsection of conservatives hold small rallys promoting hate and violence? Yes. Did liberals (dems/leftists) have the same problems this election? Yes. Does it mean the left is a party of violence and fascists? No, but somehow that's what i am being told on this board (along with childish insults).

What is there to argue here?

Hey thanks for providing me with facts i requested. You don't seem to have any do you there. why is that??? Hmmmm...i wonder.

Can you give me examples of the left actively suppresing speech?

On top of that this fricking laughable. You want to get in to people wanting to suppress free speech go check on Trump's use of authority to remove protestors who speak out against him or the fact he made people sign non desparaging clauses, or the fact he said people who burn the american flag should be stripped of there citizenship, or the travel ban the courts shot down.

Omg you're the biggest hypocrite in the world if you voted for a guy who wants to control the media and then turn around and say the left is doing this. Haha!

Holy shite this just laughable. Again thanks for all those facts to prove your point. Ill keep waiting for more. This is pathetic on your part.

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