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re: It must be backfiring
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Id bet 90% couldn't tell you what an executive order is. These bitches were protesting the day after inauguration.
Ah deflection and insults with made up statistics. Par for the course around here. Whatever fits your narrative right?
im sure this is just fake news, right?
and this
and this
or this
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These bitches were protesting the day after inauguration.
Some were protesting trumps election sure; however your comment "90% couldn't tell you what an executive order is" is just rhetorical nonsense you crafted to try and dismiss someone with concerns about a piece of legislation.
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:51 pm to texashorn
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New York state also spawned no-fault divorce.
Actually Ronald Reagan did that when he was gov. Of California.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:57 pm to Tiger Tracker
OK, cool. Ronald Reagan also allowed Democrats to loot the Social Security Trust Fund in 1983.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:06 pm to texashorn
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Ronald Reagan also allowed Democrats to loot the Social Security Trust Fund in 1983.
Im not sure what that has to do with my correction to your post, but that is pretty interesting regardless. Could you send me a link discussing this? I would like to read up on it more.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:31 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Please see my response to wolfhound for plenty of examples of the same shite by trump supporters this year and when obama was elected along with trump himself calling for people to march on Washington after the 2012 election.
Good lord
For the third time:
If you seriously believe republicans and pro-trump supporters have been just as violent or intolerant as the regressive left in the past year, I honestly don't know what to tell you. For the past 4 months alone we've seen hundreds of thousands of these leftist idiots blocking traffic, swearing, screaming or punching Trump supporters and praying for someone to assassinate him. And you come here with a pic of 20 racist morons with a "hang Obama" sign and an opinion article from TheHill about 3 incidents on the night Obama was elected. GTFO
Search "anti-Trump" in youtube, grab some popcorn, and watch the hours and hours of these "peaceful" protests be anything but peaceful. And pointing out this insanely higher level of intolerance from the left when compared to the right is not the same thing as saying I condone violence or hate speech when repubs do it. How you came to that idiotic conclusion from my previous posts I'll never know.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:33 pm to Tiger Tracker
You really put in a lot of work for nothing. There were words. Hateful words. Ugly words. In some instances threats of violence. And yet no organized violence whatsoever. Simply words. All of which I personally disavow.
If you are foolish enough to believe the have some equivalence to what has happened during the entire Trump campaign then there is no helping you. You are beyond a fool.
Violence is a tool of the Left. And you have acknowledged it as such many times over. Give it up. There is no equivalence. You have random pictures that demonstrate nothing. Grasping. And that is pathetic.
Just take your stand and admit the Progressive Left is violent. Then we can have a true dialogue.
ETA: Serious question, how old were you when President Obama was elected? It should be a dead give away to you that no "period" news reports show what you are trying to portray which is widespread opposition to him. Your "journalists" cherry pick through the most egregious examples and try to make it appear like this was a widespread phenomena. It was not. Many Americans were proud to be a part of his campaign and his election. And even those who did not vote for him (like myself) were tremendously hopeful he would act on his promises.
If you are foolish enough to believe the have some equivalence to what has happened during the entire Trump campaign then there is no helping you. You are beyond a fool.
Violence is a tool of the Left. And you have acknowledged it as such many times over. Give it up. There is no equivalence. You have random pictures that demonstrate nothing. Grasping. And that is pathetic.
Just take your stand and admit the Progressive Left is violent. Then we can have a true dialogue.
ETA: Serious question, how old were you when President Obama was elected? It should be a dead give away to you that no "period" news reports show what you are trying to portray which is widespread opposition to him. Your "journalists" cherry pick through the most egregious examples and try to make it appear like this was a widespread phenomena. It was not. Many Americans were proud to be a part of his campaign and his election. And even those who did not vote for him (like myself) were tremendously hopeful he would act on his promises.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:38 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Here allow me to demonstrate the right's melt after obama was elected:
OK, I'm actually embarrassed for you
And I'm not normally viewed as a compassionate type of person
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:47 pm to Wolfhound45
I point out from the outset that there really is no comparison in terms of the degree and scale of "protest" from the two sides and explain to him (before he does it mind you) why saying "yeah but trump supporters can be intolerant too" is a foolish argument.
So what does he do
Tries to prove that Trump supporters can be intolerant too
So what does he do
Tries to prove that Trump supporters can be intolerant too
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:59 pm to Wolfhound45
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Violence is a tool of the Left. And you have acknowledged it as such many times over. Give it up. There is no equivalence. You have random pictures that demonstrate nothing. Grasping. And that is pathetic.
It helps if you actually read the articles.
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Kaylon Johnson, an African American campaign worker for Obama, was physically assaulted for wearing an Obama T-shirt in Louisiana following the 2008 election. The three white male attackers shouted “frick Obama!” and “**** president!” as they broke Johnson’s nose and fractured his eye-socket, requiring surgery.
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The incidents continued on the night of the election. A black Muslim teenager in Staten Island, N.Y., said he was assaulted by four white men who yelled "Obama." That same restaurant owner in Palm Beach wrote "KKK" on employee timecards. After newspaper reports of her behavior, she blamed her actions on "watching too much Fox News" and "my hot Italian blood."
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In Snellville, Ga., a boy on a school bus told a 9-year-old girl that he hoped Obama would be assassinated. That night, also in Snellville, a vandalized Obama sign and two pizza boxes filled with human feces were left on a black family's lawn. Small black effigies were found hanging from nooses in trees in two Maine towns. In Midland, Mich., a pistol-packing member of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan wore his Klan uniform and carried an American flag on a city sidewalk.
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"Obama" was spray-painted on a black man's car, which was then torched, in Otter Creek Township, Pa. Racist graffiti and an apparent reference to Obama's win were spray-painted on a high school gym and at a local skate park in Kilgore, Texas. At North Carolina State University, four students spray-painted racist and threatening graffiti aimed at Obama, sparking an anti-racist rally attended by 500 people.
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Only hours after Obama's election, a predominantly black church in Springfield, Mass., was torched. Three white men were arrested just days before Obama's Jan. 20 inauguration and charged with conspiring to deprive church congregants of their civil rights.
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A sign was placed inside a general store in Standish, Maine, that read, "Osama Obama Shotgun Pool." Customers could sign up to bet $1 on a date when the new president would be assassinated. "Stabbing, shooting, roadside bombs, they all count," the sign said. At the bottom of the sign somebody had written, "Let's hope someone wins."
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A University of Alabama professor reported that an Obama poster was ripped off her office door. When she put up another one, somebody wrote a death threat against Obama and a racial slur on it.
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Neo-Nazi radio show host Hal Turner wrote on his blog that his "inauguration dream" was for somebody to send an explosives-laden aerial unmanned drone or chemical-filled balloons into inaugural crowds. In a follow-up posting, Turner maintained that Obama and congressmen and senators attending the inauguration deserved to die, as did African Americans ("sub-human simians") and liberals ("mentally-ill Whites") in the crowd.
Nothing to see here though right? No violence right?
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If you are foolish enough to believe the have some equivalence to what has happened during the entire Trump campaign then there is no helping you. You are beyond a fool.
You really think there's no similarity to what's happening now? That somehow what happened then was "non violent"?
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Just take your stand and admit the Progressive Left is violent. Then we can have a true dialogue.
I've already admitted there are violent people in the left. They're also violent people on the right as i have demonstrated above. So to group all democrats as violent is incorrect. It makes as much sense as dems trying to say all right wing people are violent racists.
I mean you say you want to have an honest conversation but do you? I have shown you examples of violence and threats of assassination when obama was elected by the right yet you continue to tell me only democrats do this.
I've openly condemned those people who pulled that shite like hurting police and destroying property yet you continue to deny it happens by the right as well.
I would love an honest conversation about the issues. Let me know when you want to have one. The first step is admitting BOTH parties have their extremists and dissenters and those people should not condemn the whole party. That's my whole point. Can you at least admit that?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:00 pm to geauxtigahs87
ONE factor you should consider in comparing what happened in Obama's first year and our current climate is this: in 2009 Obama had just won a large EC and popular mandate. That is not true for Trump.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:19 pm to GeorgeWest
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ONE factor you should consider in comparing what happened in Obama's first year and our current climate is this: in 2009 Obama had just won a large EC and popular mandate. That is not true for Trump.
Has no bearing.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:20 pm to GeorgeWest
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ONE factor you should consider in comparing what happened in Obama's first year and our current climate is this: in 2009 Obama had just won a large EC and popular mandate. That is not true for Trump.
And this is relevant to the subject at hand how?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:20 pm to MullenBoys
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My aunt and uncle are life long dems. Only replublican they ever voted for was Ronald Reagan
My father is a down the ballot dem voter but all his rants are conservative. He just grew up thinking Dems support the working man and never shook it.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:28 pm to Tiger Tracker
I read every article. And since you took the time to cite them, I will point out that they all indicate singular incidents. They demonstrate no pattern of orchestrated or organized violence whatsoever. Can you not figure that out? You are being duped into believing that they are all somehow connected. You have not cited one instance, not one, of riots on the part of those who opposed President Obama.
Sorry, no sale. You have a series of anecdotal incidents that demonstrate no pattern or established correlation. Just individuals who demonstrate their hate in words or in rare incidents a degree of violence. Anyone with even a remote sense of intellectual curiousity would question their authenticity. Where are the primary sources?
Damn dude. Think.
ETA: Noticed you did not answer my question on how old you were during the election of President Obama. For the record, I was in my mid 40s.
Sorry, no sale. You have a series of anecdotal incidents that demonstrate no pattern or established correlation. Just individuals who demonstrate their hate in words or in rare incidents a degree of violence. Anyone with even a remote sense of intellectual curiousity would question their authenticity. Where are the primary sources?
Damn dude. Think.
ETA: Noticed you did not answer my question on how old you were during the election of President Obama. For the record, I was in my mid 40s.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:52 pm to Wolfhound45
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You have not cited one instance, not one, of riots on the part of those who opposed President Obama.
So because the violence was not orchestrated as a mass group then it doesn't matter these conservative people did this? You're telling me because they weren't together and separate stories that means people weren't really upset? Conservatives didn't commit those crimes?
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You are being duped into believing that they are all somehow connected.
They were all connected in the sense they were all due to the election. Many even saying assasinate obama.
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Anyone with even a remote sense of intellectual curiousity would question their authenticity. Where are the primary sources?
Really? You're saying this was fake news? The sources, in some cases, were the police reports dude. I mean this is just sad.
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ETA: Noticed you did not answer my question on how old you were during the election of President Obama. For the record, I was in my mid 40s.
If i told you i was 25 or 85 what difference does that make? Are you making the assertion that age somehow indicates someones intelligence level?
For the record i was 23 and i didnt vote for Obama. I was against the affordable care act, personally, and had concerns about the stimulus plan. I usually vote independent if there's someone out there i like. I have voted Republican and democrat as well.
Again, if we can't even agree that both parties have extreme people in them, but that doesn't mean the who party is terrible then there's no point of talking because that is the honest truth. That's the starting point. This whole my party is the victim and their party is evil bullshite is ridiculous and childish.
Could you tell me the numbers on how many people protested vs how many actual arrests for violence were made? I would be curious to know what percentage that number is considering you have made the assumptions 1) they were all democrats and 2) all democrats use violence to get what they want.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:17 pm to Tiger Tracker
You are attempting (poorly) to assert there was organized resistance to President Obama. There was not. You are old enough to remember that. Unfortunately, you are letting ideology (and poorly written articles written well after the events) blind you to the facts. I cannot help that. You have to want to see the truth.
I will make this simple for you. Idiotic individuals do not represent organized resistance. They represent idiotic individuals who are blinded by hate. We will always have individuals like this. It is an unfortunate aspect of humanity.
Learn how to demonstrate correlation. It would help you tremendously.
I will make this simple for you. Idiotic individuals do not represent organized resistance. They represent idiotic individuals who are blinded by hate. We will always have individuals like this. It is an unfortunate aspect of humanity.
Learn how to demonstrate correlation. It would help you tremendously.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:20 pm to SamuelClemens
quote:This used to be the case. Hourly wages were Dem, as were unions. Corporate and salaried were Republican.
My father is a down the ballot dem voter but all his rants are conservative. He just grew up thinking Dems support the working man and never shook it.
I don't see how the Dems can hold the unions and hourly stiffs anymore; the open support of illegal immigrants (cheap labor, sometimes skilled) undercuts everything they promised to the working class.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:43 pm to Wolfhound45
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Learn how to demonstrate correlation. It would help you tremendously.
Funny since i asked you to do the same thing and it was ignored.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:50 pm to Tiger Tracker
It was ignored. Why? Because it was not demonstrated. Just a bunch of Progressive ramblings that are written after the fact to make excuses for the riots. If they had occcured with any degree of frequency or intensity they would have been written about at the time.
Sorry bro. There are crappy people in this world. Cowards. There always have been and always will be. And they attack those who they feel are the cause of their worthlessness. That is not political opposition. It is just simple cowardice on their part.
What you are seeing from the Left is Fascism, plain and simple. Political thugs. They cannot argue the merits so they orchestrate suppression of opposing thought. False attempts at equivalency only weakens your position.
Sorry bro. There are crappy people in this world. Cowards. There always have been and always will be. And they attack those who they feel are the cause of their worthlessness. That is not political opposition. It is just simple cowardice on their part.
What you are seeing from the Left is Fascism, plain and simple. Political thugs. They cannot argue the merits so they orchestrate suppression of opposing thought. False attempts at equivalency only weakens your position.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:08 pm to Wolfhound45
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What you are seeing from the Left is Fascism,
Still waiting for you to prove your statement that all left people are like this. Also prove that all the people who were violent were leftist.
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Sorry bro. There are crappy people in this world. Cowards. There always have been and always will be. And they attack those who they feel are the cause of their worthlessness. That is not political opposition. It is just simple cowardice on their part.
Funny you mention this because that's what trump tried to start in 2012. He's still doing it to this date. He was telling the people to go in the streets and stop obama from being elected. So yeah i agree trump is a fascist.
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