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re: Israel Defense Force murders 4 children
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:03 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:03 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
mmcgrath
Given your leanings, you'll probably take this as a compliment, even though it's not intended as one...but you'd have made a good apparatchik in the old USSR. Compiling lists of people who disagree with you and such.
Incidentally, I don't see how pointing out that you need to get yourself a life is defending what happened in any way. Fail on your part.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 12:06 pm
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:06 pm to Godfather1
quote:
Given your leanings, you'll probably take this as a compliment, even though it's not intended as one...but you'd have made a good apparatchik in the old USSR. Compiling lists of people who disagree with you and such.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:07 pm to mmcgrath
You DID take it as a compliment, didn't you?
Don't lie.
Don't lie.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:38 pm to joshnorris14
quote:
joshnorris14
I'm not reading 10 pages, but dude you have such a hard on against Israel. Israel is fighting in a guerilla war. The enemy dresses like civilians. There is no way to be certain who exactly the enemy is. Sorry to the people of Gaza, especially innocents, but Israel did warn you to leave. There is going to be a ground assault soon where even more civilians will die if they do not flee. I wish the people of Gaza and Palestine could learn to live in peace, but many refuse. Unfortunately, spin artists like yourself refuse to admit the muslim leadership in the area has repeatedly admitted that peace with Israel will never happen and they only want to destroy the Jewish people.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:42 pm to GhostofJackson
If Israel's neighbors were to ever lay down their arms, there would be peace.
If Israel were ever to lay down IT'S arms...it would cease to exist.
If Israel were ever to lay down IT'S arms...it would cease to exist.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:43 pm to Geauxrilla Ballz
I'm not Haydo, but I'd like to answer your questions.
quote:You need to be more specific about which family members. If there were family members who had homes elsewhere at the creation of Israel, I would have a hard time saying they have the right to live in Israel.
* I recognize Israel as the homeland for the Jewish people, but also the homeland for the native Christian, Muslim, and people of other faiths. We can trace my family to the Galilee since the time of King David. Maacah and Absolom are in my family bloodlines. Would you say my family has the right to live in Israel with full rights?
quote:I do not believe all those who left voluntarily deserve the right of return. Those who can prove ownership of the home should have the right to return. Those who did not have title to the homes should not be able to return to property they abandoned. It may seem harsh, but tenants do not get the same rights as homeowners.
* The Palestinians who fled the war of Independence (Nakba) in 1948 were not permitted to return to their homes. Do you think it is fair that all of these people can not return to their homes, and if so - how do you justify that?
quote:Yes, the connection to the Holy Land is obvious for peoples of all religions. I don't believe that Muslims believe in equal rights for non-Muslims. Thus a true democracy encompassing the entire Holy Land would not result in equal rights for all.
* If I, as the son of a Palestinian Christian, can recognize the Jewish connection to the Holy Land - could you recognize the Palestinian connection? Do you think the Holy Land could survive (as it once did before) as a true Democratic state with equal rights for Jew, Christian, and Muslim?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:57 pm to Godfather1
quote:I believe that about as much as I believe our government wants us to give up our arms.....for peace.
If Israel's neighbors were to ever lay down their arms, there would be peace.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:03 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
TX Tiger
That's because you hate Israel. Israel ceded parts of it's own country in order to have a more lasting peace. Imagine if the US gave up California in order to halt terror attacks. Just because you don't like Jews, don't let that get in the way of the facts.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:09 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:
You need to be more specific about which family members. If there were family members who had homes elsewhere at the creation of Israel, I would have a hard time saying they have the right to live in Israel.
The creation of the State of Israel is 1948. I am first generation here in the US. My dad moved here in the late 60's. So, I have literally thousands of family members - aunts, uncles, cousins - all who have family roots thousands of years into the past. Literally, my family has always been in the Galilee, and are known as the "Defenders of Christianity" in the area.
quote:
I do not believe all those who left voluntarily deserve the right of return. Those who can prove ownership of the home should have the right to return. Those who did not have title to the homes should not be able to return to property they abandoned. It may seem harsh, but tenants do not get the same rights as homeowners.
Most of the ones who fled CAN prove ownership, though the State of Israel does not acknowledge or recognize it. Their property was not "abandoned," they fled because of war and fear of being slaughtered. It was a war, a hostile takeover. If you want some first hand accounts of what happened, I can tell you some from my families direct experience.
quote:
Yes, the connection to the Holy Land is obvious for peoples of all religions. I don't believe that Muslims believe in equal rights for non-Muslims. Thus a true democracy encompassing the entire Holy Land would not result in equal rights for all.
It did before, why shouldn't it again? So you are saying that if the Holy Land were like the US, where all faiths had equal rights - the Muslims wouldn't allow non-Muslims to be equals? Are you saying that historic Palestine, which indeed did exist, did not have a mixed population of Christian, Muslim, and Jew?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:11 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:
Imagine if the US gave up California in order to halt terror attacks.
A win-win scenario.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:12 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:
Israel ceded parts of it's own country in order to have a more lasting peace. Imagine if the US gave up California in order to halt terror attacks. Just because you don't like Jews, don't let that get in the way of the facts.
Those aren't facts.
Israel ceded land that didn't belong to them, which is the whole issue.
You can't compare Israel and the US because one is an Aparthied, and one isn't.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:30 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:I don't consider a walled off open-air prison a gesture of lasting peace. But that's where we disagree.
Israel ceded parts of it's own country in order to have a more lasting peace.
quote:Maturity, get some.
That's because you hate Israel.
Just because you don't like Jews
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:34 pm to TX Tiger
Two youths shot by IDF snipers for walking around (VIDEO)
I think there were some rockets hidden near them somewhere though. I'm sure of it.
I think there were some rockets hidden near them somewhere though. I'm sure of it.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:34 pm to joshnorris14
Good, maybe Hamas will stop firing rockets at Israeli children
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:35 pm to joshnorris14
Hammas kills/murders Israelies. Israelies kill/murder hammas. The USA just needs to stay the frick out and let them fight it out themselves.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:35 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:
You guys can't be this dumb.
No but you are
You really have no idea how the world works.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:36 pm to bamafan1001
quote:
Good, maybe Hamas will stop firing rockets at Israeli children
That would be nice. How many Israeli children have been butchered this round?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:38 pm to bamafan1001
quote:
Good, maybe Hamas will stop firing rockets at Israeli children
No Israeli children have been killed from Hamas rocket attacks in a very, very long time. As far as I can find, no children have even been injured.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:39 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:Why would you say this about a Palestinian but not an Isreali?
You need to be more specific about which family members. If there were family members who had homes elsewhere at the creation of Israel, I would have a hard time saying they have the right to live in Israel.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:40 pm to JOJO Hammer
quote:
Hammas kills/murders Israelies. Israelies kill/murder hammas. The USA just needs to stay the frick out and let them fight it out themselves.
The US government is VERY involved.
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