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re: Is this black Louisianan's reddit post for real?
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:13 am to Al Dante
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:13 am to Al Dante
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Racism leads to actions.
I can just as easily argue that poverty and shitty parenting/upbringing leads to actions. You're focus on race being the only explanation for those stats makes you no different than the professional race-baiters you admonish.
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:21 am to onmymedicalgrind
It's kind of pointless to argue with you, you know. You asked for proof. quantifiable stats were given and a poll on racial attitudes. Both were dismissed by you. It's evident now that nothing will make you believe that blacks are just as if not more racist towards whites than the other way around. Keep believing what you want to believe. Doesn't bother me.just quit asking for any links or stats because its apparent you'll dismiss every one of them.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:21 am to KCT
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I never said anything about a poll, ommg. I was talking about the truth as I know it.
Well I guess that settles it then
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That experience was an eye-opener, today the least. It was the first time I had ever been in a black-dominated environment of an extended period of time, and I pray it won't happen again.
Oh okay, this is starting to make sense now. You are speaking from a position of ignorance since you have never really spent much time around black people except for this one period of time.
Which is surprising to me because you seem like such a swell guy. And I coulda sworn you spent alot of time with black people your whole life considering the amount of your posts dedicated to them.
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You must be ignorant regarding the "science" of polling, because a sample size of 1,000 is generally considered to be sufficient.
The fact you made a blanket statement like that tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of statistics. There is no single number that is "considered to be sufficient" in all studies. I'm not going to break this down further for you, but I suggest reading up on statistical power, significance and different types of error
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I mean, I'm absolutely certain that your problem with the poll isn't simply that it conflicts with the conventional narrative. Right?
I have no problem with the poll. I also know the difference b/w objective data that proves a particular conclusion as fact vs polling data that just tells you what the prevailing opinion may be.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:22 am to Al Dante
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Racism leads to actions. The crime stats mentioned above show a huge disparity and are quantifiable. Another poster gave you a study on how blacks feel about racism and the study shows they themselves feel they are more racist than whites.
I wouldn't believe it. Based on my experience, few people understand what racism even is anymore
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:28 am to Al Dante
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You asked for proof.
I did.
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quantifiable stats were given and a poll on racial attitudes. Both were dismissed by you.
Because they aren't proof.
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It's evident now that nothing will make you believe that blacks are just as if not more racist towards whites than the other way around.
Where are you getting this from? I've never stated my opinion on the matter. For all you know I could definitely have the opinion blacks are 100x more racist than white. But I would at least have the awareness to understand it is just my opinion.
All I did was ask the people who presented their opinion as fact to back it up objectively. If you think crime stats or a random poll prove so conclusively then it is a good thing you are not a researcher because you are too easily convinced and lack the necessary level of skepticism needed to identify confounding factors such as hidden variables.
Just to make sure I didn't make an erroneous assumption, you aren't a researcher, are you?
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:50 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Because they aren't proof.
Why don't you tell us what you would consider "proof " in your eyes so you can quit wasting everybody's time.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:52 pm to Al Dante
Dearest ommg,
It's really impossible to have an honest discussion with you. You're a master at twisting words around in order to avoid having any kind of reasonable exchange.
I never said anything about not spending time around black people. That was just one more of your distortions. What I did say was, it was the first time I had spent an extended amount of time in an environment where black people were the majority, in control, etc.
It was a different dynamic, and yes, I experienced a different mindset, a different kind of behavior than I had seen before. To say the least, I wasn't impressed.
And yes, discounting the results of a poll simply because they "only" canvassed 1,000 people shows me that either a) you don't have clue regarding what constitutes a significant sample size, or b) you're simply clutching at straws in order to discount results that don't synch up with what you want to see.
Charles Barkley said 10 years ago that black people were far more racist than white people (at that time). I'm not saying he's an authority on anything, but I believe that he was speaking honestly based on what he's seen and heard.
Good luck on dismissing him by saying he hasn't spent much time around black people
It's really impossible to have an honest discussion with you. You're a master at twisting words around in order to avoid having any kind of reasonable exchange.
I never said anything about not spending time around black people. That was just one more of your distortions. What I did say was, it was the first time I had spent an extended amount of time in an environment where black people were the majority, in control, etc.
It was a different dynamic, and yes, I experienced a different mindset, a different kind of behavior than I had seen before. To say the least, I wasn't impressed.
And yes, discounting the results of a poll simply because they "only" canvassed 1,000 people shows me that either a) you don't have clue regarding what constitutes a significant sample size, or b) you're simply clutching at straws in order to discount results that don't synch up with what you want to see.
Charles Barkley said 10 years ago that black people were far more racist than white people (at that time). I'm not saying he's an authority on anything, but I believe that he was speaking honestly based on what he's seen and heard.
Good luck on dismissing him by saying he hasn't spent much time around black people
Posted on 8/16/14 at 3:01 pm to Pectus
Racism is used often as a 'catch-all' and is the default position of many people. 'Wolf' has been cried just often enough to cause most to ignore when there really is one. Many of the things he mentioned could be dismissed as 'his' perception, but if he's experienced the genuine article, which he likely has, then it's understandable if he views this as his reality.
I am probably much more sympathetic than many to stories like these, subjectively so. I'm 'white' but have been mistaken for Hispanic, Italian, and several other Mediterranean types. Having been denied entrance to military bases without any explanation, almost always asked for ID when using a credit card, and patted down (more than once) during routine traffic stops, I'll give this feller the benefit of the doubt for his less than bright outlook..I'm gonna go out on a limb and figure it gets a lil worse the more melanin you have.
I am probably much more sympathetic than many to stories like these, subjectively so. I'm 'white' but have been mistaken for Hispanic, Italian, and several other Mediterranean types. Having been denied entrance to military bases without any explanation, almost always asked for ID when using a credit card, and patted down (more than once) during routine traffic stops, I'll give this feller the benefit of the doubt for his less than bright outlook..I'm gonna go out on a limb and figure it gets a lil worse the more melanin you have.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 3:03 pm to KCT
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a) you don't have clue regarding what constitutes a significant sample size
Please enlighten me. If you could show me your calculations, even better.
Eta: the rest of your post is not worth responding to tbh
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 8/16/14 at 3:10 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Well I guess that settles it, a national survey of a whole 1,000 adults.
do you know how surveys work, clown?
Or are you just upset because the temple of racial lies you built your ego on is crumbling?
Posted on 8/16/14 at 3:11 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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who tried to tell me profiling blacks was good police practice because blacks were more likely to commit crimes
blacks are more likely to commit crimes.
You seem to dislike facts.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 3:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
You know what, ommg? I've already said everything I care to say within the context of this thread's subject matter. In fact, I've repeated myself by now. Frankly, im bored with it.
If you choose not to believe my account of the situation I encountered last year, that's fine with me. Peace to you, brother.
If you choose not to believe my account of the situation I encountered last year, that's fine with me. Peace to you, brother.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 3:17 pm to CptBengal
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blacks are more likely to commit crimes. You seem to dislike facts.
Huh? Did you even read or understand my post?
You seem to dislike reading comprehension.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 3:17 pm to KCT
I thought you were going to give me a lesson on statistical significance. What happened??
Posted on 8/16/14 at 3:50 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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give me a lesson on statistical significance
more than happy to oblige....
but you asked the wrong question. The correct question would be how to compute WHAT SAMPLE SIZE IS NECESSARY to be able to show significance.
It's a common error from people who have little understanding of stats.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:13 pm to CptBengal
I'm actually talking to KCT btw. IDK why you are so eager to interject yourself when you are obviously having real difficulty following our convo.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:16 pm to onmymedicalgrind
ANd KCT already bowed out of the thread....you seem confused on the simple point of a minimum sufficient sample size.
Im just here to help you. You seem to be having difficulty with accepting information that runs contrary to your world views. World views I might add that seem to have no basis in fact, other than your own personal beliefs.
Im just here to help you. You seem to be having difficulty with accepting information that runs contrary to your world views. World views I might add that seem to have no basis in fact, other than your own personal beliefs.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:22 pm to CptBengal
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You seem to be having difficulty with accepting information that runs contrary to your world views. World views I might add that seem to have no basis in fact, other than your own personal beliefs.
What are my world views? What are my personal beliefs? Have you always made things up, or did you acquire this talent? Did you always struggle on reading comprehension sections of standardized tests?
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:26 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Have you always made things up, or did you acquire this talent? Did you always struggle on reading comprehension sections of standardized tests?
It's sad....first you thought a 1000 persona random sample wasnt good enough. It is, btw. But dont take my word for it, run the power test yourself.
Then we find out you seem to hold the erroneous belief that black people are not more likely to commit crimes. An interesting proposition to hold based on any metric of criminal behavior in our country.
Im curious, do you consider yourself intelligent?
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:26 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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reading comprehension
This is hilarious coming from you.
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