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re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?

Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:35 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:35 pm to
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And your inability to understand that dictionaries have long been properly viewed as a collection of the what society sees as "properly defining" something makes me question that you knew the dictionary definition when you posted.


Christ, do we need to have a class on the etymology of the two words? Please say no. I'd like to move on to more useful discussion.

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Maybe you are just clumsy with your words


This has never been true.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:36 pm to
This thread is proof that money is the root of all evil
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72724 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:36 pm to
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Well, it would save money........


No, it might save money.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:36 pm to
Adoption?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:38 pm to
You could come up with any secular reason for or against abortion because secularism denies an objective law giver (like God) and leaves each individual to define their own moral code. Those in power choose whatever arbitrary, subjective code that they think is best and enforce it on those under their authority. There is no objective right and wrong, just what works "best" for a given society as determined by those in power.

If you want a secular argument, consider evolutionary theory and how abortion should be forbidden for those who are the most fit in our society as they are removing the best humans from the gene pool.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:39 pm to
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Christ, do we need to have a class on the etymology of the two words? Please say no. I'd like to move on to more useful discussion.

I suppose we could just let you "properly" define everything in whatever way suits you.

Properly define ethics for me.
Posted by westerntigerfan
Member since Oct 2012
886 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:40 pm to
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Wrong

Explain the difference between a viable fetus and a baby.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72724 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:40 pm to
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I suppose we could just let you "properly" define everything in whatever way suits you.


Well, the discussion is about the absence of morality, remember?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:41 pm to
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No, it might save money.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72724 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:41 pm to
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Explain the difference between a viable fetus and a baby.


Why that limitation? What did I miss, other than that being the only chance you have at making a point?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:42 pm to
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Well, the discussion is about the absence of morality, remember?


The discussion is about their being a secular arguement against abortion. If you've made one in the thread I missed it. I assumed you were in the thread to simply argue about semantics...
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:43 pm to
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Well, the discussion is about the absence of morality, remember?


Can we get an example of an argument against Murder, Rape, or Assault that is void of a moral component?

It might be helpful to have something other than vague theories to mull over.
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:45 pm to
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Are there secular arguments against killing a 10-year old kid? Try those


How is that relevant
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:46 pm to
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The discussion is about their being a secular arguement against abortion.




Anyways, no, this was your first reply to me:

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If morality didn't exist would it have ever been illegal? If so, why?


Keep up or tap out.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:46 pm to
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Can we get an example of an argument against Murder, Rape, or Assault that is void of a moral component?


Eventually. Still getting everyone up to speed.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22536 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:48 pm to
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quote: The discussion is about their being a secular arguement against abortion. Anyways, no, this was your first reply to me:


On a phone, arguing with you, watching stupid videos, and trying to make my kids shut up and go to sleep. Excuse the spelling and other errors.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:49 pm to
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Eventually. Still getting everyone up to speed.



You really aren't required to be a complete a-hole 100% of the time. You realize that, right?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72724 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:50 pm to
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On a phone, arguing with you, watching stupid videos, and trying to make my kids shut up and go to sleep. Excuse the spelling and other errors.


I'm not worried about it, but it's amusing when someone calls me out, then types out some frickery like that.
Posted by westerntigerfan
Member since Oct 2012
886 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:50 pm to
My point is that viability is the argument. If it is wrong to kill a human, and if there is no physical difference between a viable fetus and a human, then logic would follow that it would also be wrong to kill a viable fetus.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72724 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:50 pm to
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You really aren't required to be a complete a-hole 100% of the time. You realize that, right?


Yes, this is a choice.
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