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Is poverty and individual or structural phenomenon? Pertaining to the United States.

Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:58 pm
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:58 pm
If you were to only choose one, what would it be?
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted by skidry
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:59 pm to
Relative poverty is individual, general poverty is structural.

Relative poverty is what you see given as examples of poverty in the US. MOST (not all) of the poor in the US are wealthier than the majority of human beings to ever exist but relative to the rest of US society they are poor. That, in my opinion is individual.

General poverty, as seen in the third world or what is happening in Venezuela is structural.
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 9:04 pm
Posted by Stingray
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:03 pm to
It is a "this World" phenomenon.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:13 pm to
Going off what you have said, wealth is relative. The fact that people in the US who are considered to be impoverished, yet wealthier than most, does not really matter.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:20 pm to
It's a little bit of both. Structural issues ensure that there will always be a certain percentage of people in poverty as well as make upward mobility out of poverty more difficult for those born into poverty. Structural issues make remaining in poverty very very easy, and almost desired. However, the individual has the power to change their fate. Through hard work, good decision making, and patience, most anyone born into poverty can at least work themselves into lower middle class eventually.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:24 pm to
Desired how?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:30 pm to
poverty in the us is the worst in the world, some gas stations don't even let you buy smokes with food stamps!
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:33 pm to
So are food stamps a way over keeping an underclass
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:35 pm to
Both.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:36 pm to
Nah, they aren't equivalent
Posted by RantardoMontalbon
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:45 pm to
Por que no los dos?

I do quarrel with your use of the term "structural".

Are you suggesting that society keeps people poor?

Or are you referring to cultural structure?

ETA: OP edited the question so I have no idea what I'm doing right now.

This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:53 pm to
Does society keep an underclass?
Posted by chickenpotpie
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:54 pm to
It is individual. There is no one being kept from studying & working hard to achieve middle class prosperity. Of the two wealthiest people I know, one grew up rather poor & barely graduated high school and the other only has a 2-year degree from a votech school. They both managed to build a net worth over $1 million.

A lot of people have a higher hill to climb to get out of poverty, but there is nothing stopping these people from accomplishing it.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:55 pm to
But out of all the people you know, only two have reached prosperity.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:59 pm to
Popular culture disparages physical labor, encourages making money via criminality, encourages fraud, gives no stigma towards using public assistance as much as possible, etc. many places have stripped all work requirements from various entitlement programs, and saving money and/or working can often cause one to lose their benefits AND be forced to pay all of that money back, putting them even worse off than if they'd never worked at all. It incentivizes not getting married and having children out of wedlock by paying them more that way. Our entitlement system incentivizes all of the decisions that are more likely to keep people in poverty while punishing the activities that can get one out of poverty. The choice is still up to them, though.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 10:03 pm to
Differential association
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

Desired how?


You don't have to get up to go to work..you don't have to answer to anyone and your basic life expenses are covered. It's like being a teenager again.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 10:20 pm to
It's nothing like being a teenager.
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

It's nothing like being a teenager.



You're right. You don't have to answer to your parents..or anyone else.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 10:23 pm to
So why equate it to being a teenager?
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