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is it possible to be labelled a moderate these days?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 8:30 am
Posted on 2/6/17 at 8:30 am
Seems like no matter what opinion you take about any political decision you get slung into a camp with either a racist Trumper or a snowflake lefty...
Anyone around consider themselves a political moderate?
Anyone around consider themselves a political moderate?
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 8:43 am to StormTiger
Moderate means little. Best guess is folks like to self-apply "moderate" to avoid being associated with the excesses of either the traditional far left and far right. For the most part, those folks are libertarian in some areas.
The rest are generally political novices or dilettantes who like the power the media tells them they have "moderates decide the elections" when they really don't.
Energized (or not) bases decide elections, period. Those folks are by and large not moderate.
The rest are generally political novices or dilettantes who like the power the media tells them they have "moderates decide the elections" when they really don't.
Energized (or not) bases decide elections, period. Those folks are by and large not moderate.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 8:50 am to Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 8:56 am to StormTiger
I'm Libertarian, so that's about as close to Moderate as you'll find.
There's basically two types of Moderates:
1. A person who feels strongly about their political choices, but their choices land on both sides of the spectrum (like being Pro-Choice and Pro-Second Amendment)
2. A person who simply doesn't feel that strongly about politics in general, but strongly enough to get out and vote, and share said opinion, but still generally not caring for the most part
The problem is that you could fit into group 1, but call yourself a moderate and you'll almost immediately be labeled as part of group 2. Because people are lazy.
There's basically two types of Moderates:
1. A person who feels strongly about their political choices, but their choices land on both sides of the spectrum (like being Pro-Choice and Pro-Second Amendment)
2. A person who simply doesn't feel that strongly about politics in general, but strongly enough to get out and vote, and share said opinion, but still generally not caring for the most part
The problem is that you could fit into group 1, but call yourself a moderate and you'll almost immediately be labeled as part of group 2. Because people are lazy.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 8:59 am to skrayper
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There's basically two types of Moderates:
You forgot #3
Leftists who think their ideals are mainstream and call themselves moderate
Its why in polls you saw Trump win independents, but Hillary win moderates 3 to 1
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:00 am to StormTiger
I hate both parties equally. Political parties by themselves are what gave us the last 16 years. In my mind a moderate is a person that can think and formulate political ideas without the influence of a driving political force.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:00 am to skrayper
I like that assement skyraper
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:00 am to StormTiger
The way the democrat politicians act in office I don't think there is a way to call yourself a moderate if you vote for one of them. The party pulls all of its members towards the extreme in office now.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 9:01 am
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:00 am to tide06
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The description that's important is independent thinker.
Maybe so, but I don't think self-applied "moderate" is synonymous with "independent thinker." It's just as I said, folks either don't want to be associated with the extremes or folks who don't have strong opinions.
If a person has a strong opinion for abortion and/or gun control, that person is very likely to be in agreement with the traditional left (although this is not universal). Ditto for the opposite views, at least on social issues.
It does get complex when you have the libertarians of either stripe - you have hardcore "right" libertarians that are against gun control, for lower taxes, but are also (generally) athiests/agnostics, pro abortion, for gay marriage, etc.
Then you have the left libertarians that are generally against PC, might be against gun control, but broadly support the left or green agenda. These cats might also be for lower taxes and such. Their main deal is drug legalization, but many of the "right" libertarians are for that too.
There are probably far more in either of those libertarian camps that folks that are truly "moderate" meaning they care, but don't care enough to have strong opinions - that's unicorn, Travonte Valentine level stuff there.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 9:02 am
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:03 am to Ace Midnight
Libertarians would probably gain more traction in America if they didn't get the dipshits of the country lumped in with them, too.
Stupid shite like this is part of their problem
LINK -/
Stupid shite like this is part of their problem
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:07 am to StormTiger
Moderates still exist. Jeb Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney are all moderate Republicans.
I have a much harder time thinking of moderate Democrats at least among the face of the party. I believe Bill Clinton is still a moderate Democrat as is Hillary despite her campaign. While they do exist at the State and local level, the only other moderate Democrat I can think of with any name recognition is Jim Webb although I don't follow Democrats as much. Joe Biden maybe?
The party leadership has been taken over by some pretty extreme liberals. The Democratic party of 2008 would have cruised to the presidency I think.
I have a much harder time thinking of moderate Democrats at least among the face of the party. I believe Bill Clinton is still a moderate Democrat as is Hillary despite her campaign. While they do exist at the State and local level, the only other moderate Democrat I can think of with any name recognition is Jim Webb although I don't follow Democrats as much. Joe Biden maybe?
The party leadership has been taken over by some pretty extreme liberals. The Democratic party of 2008 would have cruised to the presidency I think.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:08 am to goldennugget
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You forgot #3
Leftists who think their ideals are mainstream and call themselves moderate
Its why in polls you saw Trump win independents, but Hillary win moderates 3 to 1
No, I'm referring to actual Moderates, not people who claim to be moderates.
If memory serves, Trump and Clinton were neck and neck with independents.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:10 am to silverstreak02
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Libertarians would probably gain more traction in America if they didn't get the dipshits of the country lumped in with them, too.
Stupid shite like this is part of their problem
LINK -/
Sigh.
Yes, we know. It's like Johnson was an attractive candidate - great job as governor of New Mexico, etc.
Then he got in front of the media, and we all did our facepalm as he gaffed almost every time.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:19 am to skrayper
I'd venture to say the majority of Americans really are Libertarian, they just don't realize it because it's been crammed into their skulls that they're a democrat or republican.
I mean, who isn't for keeping more of their money, more freedom, and less legislated faux-morality?
I mean, who isn't for keeping more of their money, more freedom, and less legislated faux-morality?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:20 am to StormTiger
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Anyone around consider themselves a political moderate?
This country is pretty obsessed with labels. I try to be moderate when it comes to voting, but know that my overall views skew to the left. By that I mean I look at the candidates I have to choose from, try to ignore the R or D next to their name, and base my vote on their resume and my judgment on how I think they will perform in their elected position.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:24 am to StormTiger
I'm working on an article about "centrism"--it is in chart form now. Sort of an Aristotelian-mean exercise, with a twist.
The very broad premise is that the center point between two extremes does not always (usually does not) equal virtue, and then I delve into what a virtous center does look like.
Will post when finished.
The very broad premise is that the center point between two extremes does not always (usually does not) equal virtue, and then I delve into what a virtous center does look like.
Will post when finished.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:25 am to McLemore
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The very broad premise is that the center point between two extremes does not always (usually does not) equal virtue,
I agree with this.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:28 am to McLemore
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The very broad premise is that the center point between two extremes does not always (usually does not) equal virtue,
This is an interesting point.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:28 am to StormTiger
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Anyone around consider themselves a political moderate?
I'm a moderate and have the same problem. When talking to trump supporters I get labeled a liberal and when talking to democrats I get labeled a trumpkin. That tells me I'm right in the middle
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 9:29 am
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:31 am to Jeff Boomhauer
What is the philosophical cornerstone of a "moderate"?
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