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re: Is climate change real?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:10 am to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:10 am to Mike da Tigah
Yes, Earth's climate undergoes both short and long term fluctuations.
Warmer is always better for life.
Warmer is always better for life.
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:11 am to Mike da Tigah
No, there's no such thing as a climate. If there was a bubble around the earth we would have popped it with space ships
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:14 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Why? Is the statement false?
No..It's a non sequitur. Its irrelevant. It's like saying.."If everyone burned everything...would that make a difference in stuff??"
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:15 am to Salmon
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Yeah. Whittle uses incomplete data and half truths.
Can you be more specific?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:15 am to Mike da Tigah
From video:
"Dear good what is that... Feet, yards? Oh, millimeters"
LINK
From NOAA:
"With continued ocean and atmospheric warming, sea levels will likely rise for many centuries at rates higher than that of the current century. In the United States, almost 40 percent of the population lives in relatively high-population-density coastal areas, where sea level plays a role in flooding, shoreline erosion, and hazards from storms."
From video: "Our children will burst into flames before they drowned"
Check out the data on wet bulb temperatures around the world.
From video: "80 million years ago". "80 thousand years ago"
From NASA: "Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual."
LINK
This guy is jumping into his "weaponized science" diatribe while purposely diminishing every significant detail about the scientific data he is presenting. Like I said, you can go with him if you want to, but he either lacks the understanding of the issues or he is attempting to mislead you for political reasons.
"Dear good what is that... Feet, yards? Oh, millimeters"
LINK
From NOAA:
"With continued ocean and atmospheric warming, sea levels will likely rise for many centuries at rates higher than that of the current century. In the United States, almost 40 percent of the population lives in relatively high-population-density coastal areas, where sea level plays a role in flooding, shoreline erosion, and hazards from storms."
From video: "Our children will burst into flames before they drowned"
Check out the data on wet bulb temperatures around the world.
From video: "80 million years ago". "80 thousand years ago"
From NASA: "Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual."
LINK
This guy is jumping into his "weaponized science" diatribe while purposely diminishing every significant detail about the scientific data he is presenting. Like I said, you can go with him if you want to, but he either lacks the understanding of the issues or he is attempting to mislead you for political reasons.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:16 am to Mike da Tigah
Climate change is real, but the effect man has on climate change is very debatable.
Personally, I think climate change is heavily dominated by natural causes. Hence why the climate has been changing since the beginning of time on this planet.
Also, look at Mars ( LINK )
I dont think humans destroyed the Martian climate, well of course unless..
The MSM refuses to let there be a middle ground, it's either you follow them/ Al gore and believe we all die in 20 years or it just simply doesn't exist.
They can complain about the "rate" all they want but i still haven't seen any data or numbers that say why when we started taking measurements in related to climate on why that should be the bottom line or golden standard for climate measurements.
Personally, I do not believe that humans effect the climate enough to destroy the earth, but theres still nothing wrong with recycling or conserving natural resources
Personally, I think climate change is heavily dominated by natural causes. Hence why the climate has been changing since the beginning of time on this planet.
Also, look at Mars ( LINK )
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the climate of Mars has changed over time. Today, Mars is cold and dry and liquid water is not stable on the surface. However, very early in the planet’s history (more than 3.5 billion years ago) climatic conditions appear to have been favorable for the presence of liquid water on the surface. The evidence for this comes from the presence of fluvial features on ancient terrains, such as valley networks and open lake systems, that likely indicate precipitation and runoff.
I dont think humans destroyed the Martian climate, well of course unless..
The MSM refuses to let there be a middle ground, it's either you follow them/ Al gore and believe we all die in 20 years or it just simply doesn't exist.
They can complain about the "rate" all they want but i still haven't seen any data or numbers that say why when we started taking measurements in related to climate on why that should be the bottom line or golden standard for climate measurements.
Personally, I do not believe that humans effect the climate enough to destroy the earth, but theres still nothing wrong with recycling or conserving natural resources
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:18 am to PepeSilvia
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"With continued ocean and atmospheric warming, sea levels will likely rise for many centuries at rates higher than that of the current century.
But thats not happening. When any group starts to play fortune teller, they leave the realm of science.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:22 am to Dale51
Regardless if it is man made or not, we should take steps. And no, I don't mean in regards to climate change policies (though I am in favor of improving technologies for renewable resources so as to lessen our reliance on finite items and foreign resources).
We should start scaling back out coastal cities and bring them more inland. As much as I'm sure people would love to see those "blue cities" flooded, the simple fact of the matter that a MASSIVE portion of our infrastructure resides in these locations (NYC and LA come to mind quickly). Losing the technological hubs of these places would be devastating. Waiting until the last minute to move them would be too great an undertaking. Best to just move them now.
We should start scaling back out coastal cities and bring them more inland. As much as I'm sure people would love to see those "blue cities" flooded, the simple fact of the matter that a MASSIVE portion of our infrastructure resides in these locations (NYC and LA come to mind quickly). Losing the technological hubs of these places would be devastating. Waiting until the last minute to move them would be too great an undertaking. Best to just move them now.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:23 am to Navajo61490
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The MSM refuses to let there be a middle ground, it's either you follow them/ Al gore and believe we all die in 20 years or it just simply doesn't exist.
I don't think it's just the MSM. That's a political boogeyman, but liberals al have their boogeymen too.
I agree, though, that there needs to be reasoned discussion for both sides, center out. Those discussions, however, can't be from the perspective of someone like Whittle, who is downplaying the dangers of climate change and misrepresenting the relevant data. Honestly, is there much difference in what Whittle is doing here and what the MSM are believed to do.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:24 am to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:24 am to Dale51
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With continued ocean and atmospheric warming, sea levels will likely rise for many centuries at rates higher than that of the current century.
Bull shite. Many branches of science utilize predictive modeling.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:26 am to skrayper
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Regardless if it is man made or not, we should take steps.
You're talking about adaptation. I agree.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:27 am to GumboPot
If you go back to the link in my first post, you'll see how inaccurate you are with these meme, but kudos on the humor.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:29 am to boogiewoogie1978
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So if we drop 20 nukes around the world then the climate will stay the same?
Always question your beliefs. It's the scientific thing to do!
Wikipedia: "As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted with a total yield of 545 megaton (Mt): 217 Mt from fission and 328 Mt from fusion, while the estimated number of underground nuclear tests conducted in the period from 1957 to 1992 is 1,352 explosions with a total yield of 90 Mt.[4]"
So short answer: yes, the climate would stay the same.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:30 am to Dale51
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Can you be more specific?
Well, for one, nobody denies that the climate naturally changes throughout time. The argument is the rate in which its changes.
Also, the CO2 concentrations in the past are nothing new, but all of those rises in the past had drivers behind them. What is the driver behind the current rise?
One of the graphs he uses to push the "maximum and minimum temperature" isn't showing actual temperature values like he claims, the graph is in Delta, so its actually showing the rate of change.
Like I said. Half truths.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:32 am to skrayper
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We should start scaling back out coastal cities and bring them more inland
We aren't going to move entire coastal cities and their populations, and populations are on the coast because of more than just beaches, but rather ports, shipping, food, defense, etc. it's never going to happen, and in a free world it shouldn't, even if it were possible to do so.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 8:37 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:32 am to Mike da Tigah
man made climate change is as real as a person's ability to change their gender, or as real as some folks being born gay.
The left truly hates science.
The left truly hates science.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:39 am to PepeSilvia
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Bull shite. Many branches of science utilize predictive modeling.
You can't model chaos systems. You're right, many fields of science use modeling...but with fixed factors. The field of science known as finite element analysis use models very accurately, because the properties are known and fixed. Computer models can be complete bullshite because they tell you what you tell it. GIGO.
That is how data can be manipulated and agenda driven "scientists" can say.."Hey!..thats what the computer says." About 95% of the modeling for global warming has been wrong for the last 20+ years. What does that tell you about computer modeling?.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:39 am to Mike da Tigah
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We aren't going to move entire coastal cities and their populations, and populations are on the coast because of more than just beaches, but rather ports, shipping, food, defense, etc. it's never going to happen, and in a free world it shouldn't, even if it were possible to do so.
I'm not talking about the populations themselves (individuals can move at a slower pace), but rather the technological infrastructures that are in place in these areas.
Ports and defense can adapt as waters rise.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:40 am to Salmon
A lot of people don't understand the difference between Change and Rate of change (Delta).
We know that earth's climate changes over time. It is not constant. However, the rate of change over the past century is much more significant than at any other time in recorded history.
That's the part that we are trying to understand.
We know that earth's climate changes over time. It is not constant. However, the rate of change over the past century is much more significant than at any other time in recorded history.
That's the part that we are trying to understand.
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