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re: Is anyone else embarrassed about the state of our space program?

Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:30 pm to
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
20985 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:30 pm to
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NASA has been proven to be the biggest waste of money in the history of the world. That's been proven by every study ever done.



Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
17319 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:30 pm to
I get to go to NASA (Florida) of occasion for work. That place is like a time capsule that stopped in about 1975. Everything there is either falling down, empty or extremely outdated. One one hand, it is a really cool piece of American history but, it is also very depressing that we have let it come to this point. I've even been into the astronaut's quarters where the stay in the week prior to their launches. That place is so old that they still use VCR's with their picture tube style televisions.

A few years ago, I actually got to sit in the chairs where the astronauts sat in to be placed in their save suites, just prior to launch. It was amazing.

It is a great example of how this nation has declined over the past 30 years.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112451 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:32 pm to
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But we still have to go to the US mailbox to get the bills and the magazines.


Does your wife get that crap like Vogue, People, Fashion, Cosmopolitan, etc? My wife gets all that and flips through the pages in 2 minutes. What a waste.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:32 pm to
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OMLandshark






Are you fricking stupid or what?



I'm all for space exploration and I'm not anti-NASA.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72061 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:33 pm to
Really, of all the areas that could benefit mankind, space travel is up near the top.

Our priorities are fricked.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42571 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:33 pm to
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So, global warming doesn't exist? The planet has stayed at the exact same average temperature for millenia?

OK - you are either new at this game or just stupid.

Nobody is saying anything at all like your assertion.

You are dismissed.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:34 pm to
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I get to go to NASA (Florida) of occasion for work. That place is like a time capsule that stopped in about 1975. Everything there is either falling down, empty or extremely outdated. One one hand, it is a really cool piece of American history but, it is also very depressing that we have let it come to this point. I've even been into the astronaut's quarters where the stay in the week prior to their launches. That place is so old that they still use VCR's with their picture tube style televisions.

A few years ago, I actually got to sit in the chairs where the astronauts sat in to be placed in their save suites, just prior to launch. It was amazing.

It is a great example of how this nation has declined over the past 30 years.


You can thank welfare loving liberals and war hungry conservatives for the sad state that NASA is in like you described.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72061 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:35 pm to
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Does your wife get that crap like Vogue, People, Fashion, Cosmopolitan, etc? My wife gets all that and flips through the pages in 2 minutes. What a waste.
My sister gets those and she lets them sit on the coffee table for weeks and then throws them away.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42571 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:36 pm to
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Does your wife get that crap like Vogue, People, Fashion, Cosmopolitan, etc?

Dont recognize those, but she gets a shite load of catalog type magazines - I use em when I burn deadwood.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41103 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:38 pm to
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NASA and the National parks system are my favorite expenditures of taxpayer money.


These are my two holes in an otherwise bulletproof Libertarian philosophy. :hangsheadinshame:
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37072 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:38 pm to
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Nobody is saying anything at all like your assertion.


Uhh...

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Zach


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Yep. They've been lying for decades to get more funding. That's why they invented GW models, you moron. I've been studying GW since 1996. NASA faked the models to get money


That sure looks like the rant of someone who doesn't believe global warming exists. If GW exists, then why would "NASA faked the models to get money"
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:57 pm to
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NASA is one of the greatest things our country has ever invested in, and has done more than just provide us with Velcro and Tang.


NASA scientist, and engineers created a lot of great things, but Velcro, Tang, and Teflon were not among them as is commonly believed, nor were they created for the space program.

Velcro was invented in 1948 by the Swiss electrical engineer George de Mestral.

Tang was created by William Mitchell at General Foods corporation in 1957, and was later used by NASA because John Glen thought it taste good and it was in powder form.

PTFE (Teflon) was accidentally discovered in 1938 by Roy Plunkett as he was attempting to make a new chlorofluorocarbon refrigerant.

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42571 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:59 pm to
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That sure looks like the rant of someone who doesn't believe global warming exists

hmm - I don't recall your stance here, and I don't speak for Zach, but the crux of the argument is whether or not man-made CO2 is the primary causative factor in whatever change is occurring.

At least that is my stance from the beginning.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 6:00 pm to
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UPS and Fed Ex says 'Hi'.


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When they start delivering packages to the fricking Space Station get back to me.


SpaceX, a private corporation has been making deliveries to the International Space Station.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37072 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 6:11 pm to
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hmm - I don't recall your stance here, and I don't speak for Zach, but the crux of the argument is whether or not man-made CO2 is the primary causative factor in whatever change is occurring.


From what I remember Zach saying previously, and on this thread, he seems to think global warming is a hoax. I'll let him speak for himself if that's not accurate.

As for me, it sounds like my stance is very similar to yours. I have maintaned that GW has two causative factors.

1) The natural, cyclical warming and cooling of the globe, which has occured for ages, including before man started producing additional CO2, and

2) The additive effective that man-made CO2 has had on #1.

For years, I have tried to find research that will tell me the two data points above, and I cannot find it. For years, whenever someone suggests government intervention for GW, I have mentioned those two points, and never can anyone tell me what is "natural" and what is not.

Therefore, until a scientist can tell me that (which if they want taxes, it should be easy) then I believe that man is having no impact on GW. But... there is still GW
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71025 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 6:30 pm to
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Damn Zach - never go full retard!!

1. UPS and FedEx still don't "deliver the mail'

2. Yes we do. If NASA had disappeared 30 years ago, there would be no space station.

3. NASA has been directed by politics in this admin. They should not be in the GW debate nor should they have a 'Muslim Outreach' agenda.

NASA is one of the most worthy govt civil activities of all time. I am proud of my 30+ years service with them. Some of the happiest times of my life were spent with some of the most intelligent and dedicated people on earth during the early days of the space program. Nothing was beyond our grasp as a nation at that time. This was one government program where 99% of the govt empolyees were absolutely outstanding in terms of character, intelligence, dedication, qualification, work ethic. I am proud to have been in their association.

This Orion project is the first manned space program our nation has implemented that I had no connection to. I am excited - and hope to live long enough to see it happen.

I agree that NASA's mission now is not what it should be. The fix is not to shut down NASA but to return it to its proper mission.



You need to share some of your stories on the Tech Board
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
20985 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 6:42 pm to
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SpaceX, a private corporation has been making deliveries to the International Space Station.


That was kind of a joke to underscore the larger issue. Private enterprise isn't capable of taking the next step in space exploration. They're not going to be the ones going to Mars and beyond. It takes NASA, and proper federal funding, to make those leaps.

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108201 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 6:57 pm to
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I don't know about the rest. But I've been studying it for decades. How long have you been examining the data and the critiques?


How about you change your field of expertise to geology and start pushing up daisies, you old bastard.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108201 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:02 pm to
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ChineseBandit58


By the way, thanks for everything you did at NASA. While maybe my and many preceding generations didn't fully appreciate what y'all were doing, I think future ones will and will look at how our government treated your program as absolutely unforgivable. Y'all captured my imagination and ambition from childhood and into adulthood, and I'll try my best to make sure y'all's great contributions to society aren't forgotten. While I wasn't alive, I'm envious you got to work on the Apollo program, and wish you the best.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108201 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:03 pm to
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I get to go to NASA (Florida) of occasion for work. That place is like a time capsule that stopped in about 1975. Everything there is either falling down, empty or extremely outdated. One one hand, it is a really cool piece of American history but, it is also very depressing that we have let it come to this point. I've even been into the astronaut's quarters where the stay in the week prior to their launches. That place is so old that they still use VCR's with their picture tube style televisions.


Wow, that's even worse than I thought it was. The government as a whole should be tarred and feathered for this.
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