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re: Is a person who believes the following liberal or conservative or both or neither?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:03 am to Macbeth
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:03 am to Macbeth
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So you are leaning toward calling this person a liberal because of one belief? And you are also ignoring the big picture and losing track of the question because of that belief.
I flipped my whole house upside down trying to find where I called that person a liberal because of one belief. I came up empty but let me know if you happen to run across it. Thanks.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 10:04 am
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:03 am to Macbeth
This intrigued me so I am giving it another shot:
And you added this: Doesn't believe in government mandated health care. Economic Conservative/libertarian
Pro death penalty. Social/law and order conservative
Anti abortion but doesn't think government should be involved in the decision -wishy washy pro-choice social liberal
Believes in reforming welfare and disability but understands a lot of people really need it and do not want it gutted
This is almost political doublespeak. I guess Moderate conservative?
Does not want over regulation but understands there needs to be some oversight -OK this IS political doublespeak. This means nothing without further clarification
Has no problem with drilling in Alaska preserve
economic/environmental conservative
Doesn't care if two dudes want to get married - social liberal/libertarian
Thinks transgender is strange but doesn't care if a guy says he feels like a woman. social liberal/libertarian
Also, doesn't think a transgender should be able to compete in athletics of "their true" sex, i.e. A transgendered boy competing against girls. --Common fricking sense. I guess "not crazy arse liberal" would be as much as I can say on this.
Thinks weed should be legal. - Libertarian
Thinks prostitution should remain illegal because too many young girls would get trapped in the seedy life because it's easy. The opposite of libertarian?
Thinks appeals should be limited for crimes
Law and order Conservative
Thinks we should go back to public hangings like in old west Law and order Conservative
Thinks people who earn more money should pay more taxes - economic liberal
Thinks amnesty is stupid and illegals should get the boot. Law and order Conservative, Trumpist
These are all the ones I can think of now. Are these talking points outdated?
I guess maybe more Law and Order Conservative than anything else with an exception for legalization.
And you added this: Doesn't believe in government mandated health care. Economic Conservative/libertarian
Pro death penalty. Social/law and order conservative
Anti abortion but doesn't think government should be involved in the decision -wishy washy pro-choice social liberal
Believes in reforming welfare and disability but understands a lot of people really need it and do not want it gutted
This is almost political doublespeak. I guess Moderate conservative?
Does not want over regulation but understands there needs to be some oversight -OK this IS political doublespeak. This means nothing without further clarification
Has no problem with drilling in Alaska preserve
economic/environmental conservative
Doesn't care if two dudes want to get married - social liberal/libertarian
Thinks transgender is strange but doesn't care if a guy says he feels like a woman. social liberal/libertarian
Also, doesn't think a transgender should be able to compete in athletics of "their true" sex, i.e. A transgendered boy competing against girls. --Common fricking sense. I guess "not crazy arse liberal" would be as much as I can say on this.
Thinks weed should be legal. - Libertarian
Thinks prostitution should remain illegal because too many young girls would get trapped in the seedy life because it's easy. The opposite of libertarian?
Thinks appeals should be limited for crimes
Law and order Conservative
Thinks we should go back to public hangings like in old west Law and order Conservative
Thinks people who earn more money should pay more taxes - economic liberal
Thinks amnesty is stupid and illegals should get the boot. Law and order Conservative, Trumpist
These are all the ones I can think of now. Are these talking points outdated?
I guess maybe more Law and Order Conservative than anything else with an exception for legalization.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:08 am to Macbeth
You're describing me. I'd have to say leaning conservative.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:12 am to Vols&Shaft83
My wife and I make almost 250,000 a year combined. I pay my fair share of taxes and have no problem with it because the money I have left over after taxes and bills is still considerable.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:18 am to Macbeth
Who are the scholars downvoting me?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:23 am to Macbeth
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My wife and I make almost 250,000 a year combined. I pay my fair share of taxes and have no problem with it because the money I have left over after taxes and bills is still considerable.
The more we make the more creative we get to avoid paying. The uber wealthy didn't get there by being dumb dumbs. They will always find a way to pay as little as possible. Which is great!
To me it isn't about how much the gov allows me to keep. It's about the enormous,wasteful,greedy politicians and bureaucrats constantly scheming ways to further intrude in my life and use my tax money to promise their voters freebies.
Our government is out of control. The people in D.C. look at us as bottomless sources of revenue. They aren't accountable and don't face the same consequences for frick ups as the average tax payer does. When you say "happy to do my part,massa...you need mo money,massa?" you're ignoring the problem.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:24 am to Macbeth
Moderate conservative
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:25 am to Macbeth
Independent swing voter
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:26 am to Macbeth
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My wife and I make almost 250,000 a year combined. I pay my fair share of taxes and have no problem with it because the money I have left over after taxes and bills is still considerable.
I understand what you are saying on a personal level.
That doesn't make it good tax policy. The "considerable amount left over" is really a not good test.
Imagine taxes raised to the point where you no longer have a considerable amount left over. Bad policy according to your personal test, right?
Now back it off a penny. Or heck back it off by $100 bucks.
Let's approach it from a different angle: What is considerable for you? Let's say $200k. That means the government (at all levels) took only $50k. Not too bad.
And $200k left certainly seems considerable.
What about someone who makes a billion (pre tax)? Should they only be left with the "considerable" amount of $200k. Seems confiscatory doesn't it?
Lastly, but most importantly: fair is only a part of it. What tax structure promotes economic growth the most? Or inhibits it the least? Overtaxing middle and high wage earners has an effect. Even if it seems like you have "plenty" you and others will spend that money on investment that help pave the way for the growth of tomorrow.
To be clear, I am not indicting progressive income taxation itself. I am OK with that. Just your specific test for when the rates are too high or low.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:27 am to Macbeth
Your beliefs are your beliefs. You can join whichever political party you want to.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:28 am to Macbeth
What if that person doesn't think that some 45-year old dude with a dick who likes to wear dresses and pinch stinky loafs next to 8-year girls in women's public restrooms is the most pressing issue of our time...
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:29 am to Macbeth
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I pay my fair share of taxes
This will never be a point of agreement.
Should everyone pay a flat percentage as fair? Earn 10X more than average pay 10X more?
Should we have progressive taxes so that at one point you pay 100%?
Should we mix these?
What is the fair percentage? Individually and in terms of GDP?
Good luck convincing half the people that you in fact pay fair!
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:30 am to Pinecone Repair
What are your views on disability/welfare? For example, I have a family member who earns approximately 800 a month on full disability because they are in end stage COPD. The rest of the bills are covered by us.
Is 800 enough, too much? Should the person be given anything because they smoked their entire life?
Do we who make more money have a social and moral responsibility to care for those who cannot care for themselves?
Is 800 enough, too much? Should the person be given anything because they smoked their entire life?
Do we who make more money have a social and moral responsibility to care for those who cannot care for themselves?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:38 am to Macbeth
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Do we who make more money have a social and moral responsibility to care for those who cannot care for themselves?
Yes.
But when you involve the government everything gets fricked up.
Not saying some good can't come out of it, but the more individuals like yourself step up, the better it will be for everyone overall.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:40 am to Macbeth
There was only one maybe two of those that I disagree with.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:44 am to SG_Geaux
These are my views. I made this thread to illustrate that people are not black and white despite the vehement belief they are by the fringes on this board.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:49 am to Macbeth
Macbeth
Registered on: 6/11/2017
I'm curious. Since you have been on this board for a whopping 48 hours, how would you know the belief systems held by the fringes on this board?
Registered on: 6/11/2017
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despite the vehement belief they are by the fringes on this board.
I'm curious. Since you have been on this board for a whopping 48 hours, how would you know the belief systems held by the fringes on this board?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:10 am to Macbeth
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Thinks prostitution should remain illegal because too many young girls would get trapped in the seedy life because it's easy.
I've read some psychological lit on prostitution and found it fascinating.
Their primary motivation is rejection of accepted norms and standards. IE,
You should get an education - They don't
You shouldn't use drugs. - They do
You shouldn't have sex with everyone - They do
You should save your money - They don't
Therefore, if they could not be prostitutes they would seek other types of destructive behavior.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:14 am to Macbeth
Just confusing and contradictory, like most people.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:18 am to dewster
12 years of observation
ETA: why do you care? Are my beliefs threatening to you?
ETA: why do you care? Are my beliefs threatening to you?
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 11:19 am
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