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re: Is a family of 4 that earns 97k/year middle class or upper class, on average?

Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:44 pm to
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:44 pm to
Thanks
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:44 pm to
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but briefly save the congrats.


Come on, man? Field grade, baw?



Hopefully you got something better lined up. You didn't consider USNR as an option to nab a pension?
Posted by ellishughtiger
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:45 pm to
Whoa! I visit the cleaners once a week and don't pay nearly $600 mt. Even with the SO and all her clothes we spend maybe $200 a mt.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:45 pm to
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For the record, i want y'alls input because someone in another thread said 100% of middle class americans qualify for obamacare subsidies


They were arguing that like it is a good thing?

Who the frick is supposed to be paying for it?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:46 pm to
family of 4 on 97k a year? that's about the definition of middle class. probably low-middle of the middle class if you're near a city people know by name
Posted by bmy
Nashville
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:47 pm to
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if they live in a average house - $600,000 --- they are struggling on 100k a year.


if they're making 100k a year they have no business buying a $600k house
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:48 pm to
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$97k/year = ~$5600/month after taxes.

Mortgage to live in a good school system ~1500/month
Car insurance ~250/month
Utilities ~250/month
Food for four ~1000/month
Gas for cars ~150/month
Phones for four ~150/month
Internet ~75/month
Necessities (clothes, haircuts, etc) ~100/month
TV/Entertainment ~$100/month

Assuming both parents working...missing childcare. That eats up a big chunk of 2nd persons income.
Posted by mahdragonz
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:49 pm to
A 600k house in the bay area is a 1000 square foot fixer upper.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:50 pm to
Livingston Parish: Upper Middle Class

Roswell, Ga : Lower Middle Class.

San Mateo, CA: Soup Line Class
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:51 pm to
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Assuming both parents working...missing childcare. That eats up a big chunk of 2nd persons income.


I thought about that but left it out because for the majority of a family of 4's existence, childcare won't be needed. But you're right. Throw in an extra $1000 for it.
Posted by gobuxgo5
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:52 pm to
We've went from a country of "Mr Robinson makes good money I want to be like that".

To.. "mr Robinson makes good money wtf makes him so privileged, I hope the govt takes his fair share"
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 10:54 pm
Posted by gobuxgo5
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:53 pm to
$1000 doesn't cut it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:54 pm to
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600k house in the bay area is a 1000 square foot fixer upper.


Nah you can find less expensive, just not in San Fran.

Coworker just sold her place in Oakland for much less than that
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:55 pm to
Reminds me of the minimum wage debate.

$15/hour in San Francisco or New York is probably not going to be felt very much.

In Memphis or Oklahoma City....it will shut down businesses.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:56 pm to
That's the salary if two teachers married each other. I'm gonna say right in the middle.
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:56 pm to
Milwaukee tools hires people at $15 bucks without going OB but yeah
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:57 pm to
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I thought about that but left it out because for the majority of a family of 4's existence, childcare won't be needed. But you're right. Throw in an extra $1000 for it.


I don't have kids, but I would expect childcare to cost much more than that. Economic Policy Institute has averages around $5k/year for Alabama, which is one of 5 lowest in the nation. Roughly 10% of income in most states. *per child
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 11:00 pm
Posted by gobuxgo5
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:58 pm to
He meant $1000/month not a year and eventhat would be a bargain
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:59 pm to
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We've went from a country of "Mr Robinson makes good money I want to be like that".

To.. "mr Robinson makes good money wtf makes him so privileged, I hope the govt takes his fair share"



I think politicians prey on people who are pissed about the situation they were born in.

Truth be told....I grew up ugly, nearly blind, and poor in a very small town in Louisiana. I somehow do pretty well for myself today. Part of that was because I wanted a little more out of life than a truck, a trailer, a boat, and a pair of white shrimp boots. I had some exposure to people who had advanced degrees and successful careers.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 11:00 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:00 pm to
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Further, in any respectable city, even the suburbs, $250,000 is about the minimum you'd pay to get into a good school system, which is something the middle class values.
You've been in LA too long bro.
he's not wrong, even in louisiana.
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