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re: Intelligence commitee chair ready to go in dry.....
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:54 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:54 pm to Navytiger74
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You sure are fighting the good fight, old sport. You have more spine than I gave you credit for.
I think he's a little out there, but he's putting up a defense and he's doing it in a civil way
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:55 pm to Toddy
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Does the dumbass not know that probably call with the Russian ambassador is recorded?
He probably doesn't since we were told that the government is just tracking metadata (numbers called, length of call, etc.), but that they are not listening to the phone calls of private citizens.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:56 pm to boosiebadazz
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Are you arguing we shouldn't be listening to the calls of the Russian ambassador?
No.
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Again, none of this happens if Flynn doesn't lie.
Not the point. It should've been handled internally and not leaked to the press.
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There a reason it's the First Amendment.
Even employees of the executive branch seeking to undermine their boss?
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and I'll give you a hint on the next problem area... this Preibus/Bannon co-chairmanship is not sustainable. There needs to be a clear heiracrchy
Agreed.
I don't want either of them as Bannon is taking the burn it all down approach a bit too far even though I like his anger towards politicians who seek to protect status quo.
Reince is suspected of having not even a basic idea of DC dynamics and its kind of showing. I don't like that.
Newt is the best of both worlds and none of the bad. He needs to be chief of staff.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:56 pm to Terry the Tiger
On what planet do you think the Russian ambassador here on diplomatic cover is a private citizen entitled to Fourth Amendment protections?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:56 pm to Pettifogger
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You sure are fighting the good fight, old sport. You have more spine than I gave you credit for.
I think he's a little out there, but he's putting up a defense and he's doing it in a civil way
Is this a multiple personality disorder?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:56 pm to boosiebadazz
Is it illegal to talk to the ambassador? What specific law was broken
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:57 pm to MrLarson
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Is this a multiple personality disorder?
I see it a lot in the USN
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:58 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Dramatic swings in opinion and fiercely defended newfound allegiances are always a bit 1984ish to me. Always Eurasia, eh?
I think he's a little out there, but he's putting up a defense and he's doing it in a civil way
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:59 pm to Sentrius
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Even employees of the executive branch seeking to undermine their boss
YES! That is the most important reason. To bring it to the masses to let them decide. If it's a nothingburger then it gets no traction. Corrollary to the free marketplace of ideas.
Obviously this one had legs. But the real legs were Flynn's lack of character and integrity. Again I don't understand why you're wasting political capital on Michael fricking Fynn.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:59 pm to MrLarson
quote:As long as they are self-aware they can coexist.
Is this a multiple personality disorder?
And FWIW, I never thought 80% of you were legit crazy until last summer or so.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:01 pm to texag7
There's talk of Flynn breaking the Logan Act, but get this... no one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act.
It was Flynn's lie that got him canned. Which makes me wonder why Flynn felt the need to lie if his conversation truly was innocent.
It was Flynn's lie that got him canned. Which makes me wonder why Flynn felt the need to lie if his conversation truly was innocent.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:04 pm to boosiebadazz
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There's talk of Flynn breaking the Logan Act, but get this... no one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act.
And the President can overturn a Logan Act prosecution if there ever was one.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:07 pm to Navytiger74
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80% of you were legit crazy
Crazy Train turned into the Trump Train
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:08 pm to Jjdoc
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Why would Obama sign an EO in his last month? Why was that EO a huge shift in policy? Why did he not do it when the Dems started worrying about Russians?
Obama lays a coordinated trap
Trump and his team break the law
brilliant, really
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:09 pm to boosiebadazz
The FBI has cleared Flynn.
What Flynn did was wrong. Even the media is saying possibly he didn't remember if sanctions came up.
He is gone, it is done.
Trump needs to clean house, I agree. Starting with the first and second at the FBI. What you are missing is that Obama set Flynn up to undermine POTUS Trump. Obama may as well have a bug in the Oval Office and be sitting in his home down the street listening. This is how badly he is trying to undermine Trump. Read the following...
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Officials said this week that the FBI is continuing to examine Flynn’s communications with Kislyak. Several officials emphasized that while sanctions were discussed, they did not see evidence that Flynn had an intent to convey an explicit promise to take action after the inauguration.
What Flynn did was wrong. Even the media is saying possibly he didn't remember if sanctions came up.
He is gone, it is done.
Trump needs to clean house, I agree. Starting with the first and second at the FBI. What you are missing is that Obama set Flynn up to undermine POTUS Trump. Obama may as well have a bug in the Oval Office and be sitting in his home down the street listening. This is how badly he is trying to undermine Trump. Read the following...
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The abrupt resignation Monday evening of White House national security adviser Michael Flynn is the culmination of a secret, months-long campaign by former Obama administration confidantes to handicap President Donald Trump's national security apparatus and preserve the nuclear deal with Iran, according to multiple sources in and out of the White House who described to the Washington Free Beacon a behind-the-scenes effort by these officials to plant a series of damaging stories about Flynn in the national media.
The effort, said to include former Obama administration adviser Ben Rhodes—the architect of a separate White House effort to create what he described as a pro-Iran echo chamber—included a small task force of Obama loyalists who deluged media outlets with stories aimed at eroding Flynn's credibility, multiple sources revealed.
The operation primarily focused on discrediting Flynn, an opponent of the Iran nuclear deal, in order to handicap the Trump administration's efforts to disclose secret details of the nuclear deal with Iran that had been long hidden by the Obama administration.
Insiders familiar with the anti-Flynn campaign told the Free Beacon that these Obama loyalists plotted in the months before Trump's inauguration to establish a set of roadblocks before Trump's national security team, which includes several prominent opponents of diplomacy with Iran. The Free Beacon first reported on this effort in January.
Sources who spoke to the Free Beacon requested anonymity in order to speak freely about the situation and avoid interfering with the White House's official narrative about Flynn, which centers on his failure to adequately inform the president about a series of phone calls with Russian officials.
Flynn took credit for his missteps regarding these phone calls in a brief statement released late Monday evening. Trump administration officials subsequently stated that Flynn's efforts to mislead the president and vice president about his contacts with Russia could not be tolerated.
However, multiple sources closely involved in the situation pointed to a larger, more secretive campaign aimed at discrediting Flynn and undermining the Trump White House.
"It's undeniable that the campaign to discredit Flynn was well underway before Inauguration Day, with a very troublesome and politicized series of leaks designed to undermine him," said one veteran national security adviser with close ties to the White House team. "This pattern reminds me of the lead up to the Iran deal, and probably features the same cast of characters."
The Free Beacon first reported in January that, until its final days in office, the Obama administration hosted several pro-Iran voices who were critical in helping to mislead the American public about the terms of the nuclear agreement. This included a former Iranian government official and the head of the National Iranian American Council, or NIAC, which has been accused of serving as Iran's mouthpiece in Washington, D.C.
Since then, top members of the Obama administration's national security team have launched a communications infrastructure after they left the White House, and have told reporters they are using that infrastructure to undermine Trump's foreign policy.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:09 pm to Pettifogger
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Endorse what methods?
Leaking classified documents they did not have authorization to do so.
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Unelected bureaucrats working to get unelected people canned for being bad people doesn't bother me.
The NSA is a political appointee and is only in the job because his boss won the election. Of course its a defacto elected position.
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An IC that has been out of control for pretty much its entire existence if you define "control" as being a mindless arm of political masters.
They've essentially been activists since the 60s. They've been a shadow government since the early 2000s and the patriot act really upped the ante and it hasn't gotten any better especially with Obama's EO last month.
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Where is this narrative even coming from?
What just happened to Flynn.
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When groups of people who've spent their lives working to promote what they believe are America's interests en masse want an influential guy out
What they believe as to be america's interests is irrelevant and is not their call to make. That belongs to the voters who elect a legitimate President to carry out those interests.
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When we determine that the IC or some other agency/ies are targeting another Trump figure, I'll assess that and see whether I think there is validity to what they're saying.
You're naive if you think this kind of targeting is going to end with Flynn. There's a reason why they're spooks. They're not to be trusted.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:10 pm to boosiebadazz
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no one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act.
I've heard legal beagles say that it would probably not stand up to constitutional scrutiny, especially at the SCOTUS.
Although that's outside of my scope of knowledge and I'll leave that up to more qualified people than I.
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Which makes me wonder why Flynn felt the need to lie if his conversation truly was innocent.
It's not that unusual. Couples fight and divorce over white lies, people lose jobs over white lies, friendships get broken up over white lies.
shite happens.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:12 pm to texag7
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Logan Act
This is like a local law that says you can't tie up your giraffe outside the local mercantile on Sunday between 10:00-2:00.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:12 pm to Sentrius
They serve at the pleasure of the president but they take an oath to defend America from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Where those two ideals intersect is obviously open to message board argument
But I do take pleasure in the lolz of you now caring about the machination of a leak rather than the substance of the leak itself
Et tu, Brutei?
Where those two ideals intersect is obviously open to message board argument
But I do take pleasure in the lolz of you now caring about the machination of a leak rather than the substance of the leak itself
Et tu, Brutei?
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:14 pm to BamaScoop
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Intelligence commitee chair ready to go in dry..... by BamaScoop When this all washes out we will find that the CIA, the FBI, the Clinton Foundation and many politicians both democrat and republican were actually the ones working with the Russians. The attempt to connect Trump to Russia was a diversion to try and take the focus off of just how criminal the past administration has been. People are about to go to prison!
I hope you are right. I fully support Trump and remain loyal to him. But I'm so confused right now.
All I know is Obama's head of secret service resigning too so that's good news.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 11:18 pm
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