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re: In Crimea, Russia May Have Gotten a Jump on West by Evading U.S. Eavesdropping
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:33 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:33 pm to Scruffy
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Exactly what I am saying.
Many Republicans supported the Patriot Act while Bush was president and became opponents when Obama won.
Many Democrats were opponents with Bush and now support it.
Pretty sad.
You know full well the Patriot Act and such underwent many revisions, many of which were the results of protest from Dems. It's not as if criticism of it has to be frozen in time. And the FISA Amendments Act pretty much put a bipartisan stamp on this whole deal.
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:34 pm to Decatur
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You know full well the Patriot Act and such underwent many revisions, many of which were the results of protest from Dems. It's not as if criticism of it has to be frozen in time. And the FISA Amendments Act pretty much put a bipartisan stamp on this whole deal.
when faced with the problems of government, add more government to fix it
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:39 pm to Decatur
democrats don't like snowden because he made obama and the current regime look bad
can't be having that
can't be having that
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:46 pm to Decatur
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The Obama administration is "very nervous," says a person close to the discussions. "This is uncharted territory."
Not quite like community organizing, is it
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:46 pm to monsterballads
Anyone remember this leak?
LINK
Imagine what else he's made available to the Russians
Good times
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Dec 5 (Reuters) - Sweden has been a key partner for the United States in spying on Russia, Swedish television reported on Thursday, citing leaked documents from the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA).
Swedish television said it had obtained the documents from Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who brought NSA contractor Edward Snowden's leaks about mass surveillance by the agency to world attention.
Greenwald tweeted on Thursday that the close relationship between the United States and Sweden could not be "overstated" and that this was the first of many revelations to come.
Earlier this year, Snowden leaked details of a global spying programme by the NSA, stirring international criticism. The U.S. has said much of the information was a result of cooperation with other intelligence services.
Swedish television cited a document dated April 18 saying Sweden's National Defence Radio Establishment (FRA), which conducts electronic communications surveillance, had helped in providing the United States with information on Russia.
"The FRA provided NSA ... a unique collection on high-priority Russian targets, such as leadership, internal politics," it quoted the document saying.
Sweden's defence minister said on Thursday that it cooperates with some other countries but does not say which.
"It is very important to have a defence intelligence cooperation so that we can keep track of external threats to Swedish interests," Karin Enstrom told Swedish news agency TT.
"That we cooperate is something very natural. We build our security in cooperation with other countries and other organisations."
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Imagine what else he's made available to the Russians
Good times
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:49 pm to Decatur
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Imagine what else he's made available to the Russians
Good times
let's just assume that this plan is moral, right, and legal.
why did the bureaucrats allow a guy like snowden so much access? if there is a failure, it was on the admin itself
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Why the frick didn't they give him immunity and minimize the problems? Perhaps like the dolt who loves everything about this spying, they need to slow roll all this shite out so they can negate it a little at a time.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why did the bureaucrats allow a guy like snowden so much access?
He was a system admin and he stole credentials to get more than he personally was supposed to have access to. He then took a web crawler and scraped everything he could from the databases he got access to. He had made a conscious decision to take that job to get everything he could he get his grubby fingers on and he took it all.
I really wish Greenwald would publish the manifesto that Snowden had first given him to publish. That would be a hoot. Glenn said it was a bit too "unibomber" for publication.
This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:53 pm to Jbird
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Why the frick didn't they give him immunity and minimize the problems?
would have been the practical thing to do
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:54 pm to Decatur
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He was a system admin and he stole credentials to get more than he personally was supposed to have access to. He then took a web crawler and scrapped everything he could from the databases he got access to. He had made a conscious decision to take that job to get everything he could he get his grubby fingers on and he took it all.
sounds like a complete failure of the bureaucracy and very program itself, from the bottom (Vetting) to the top (security, access, authority, oversight, management, etc)
if you want your highly suspect program, you're going to get these issues
This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:55 pm to Decatur
Now you love Greenwald?
Why didn't they give him immunity window peeper?
Why didn't they give him immunity window peeper?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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sounds like a complete failure of the bureaucracy and very program itself, from the bottom (Vetting) to the top (security, access, authority, oversight, management, etc)
I don't disagree really but that in no way offers any excuse to Snowden's actions. The Hawaii station was the last station that hadn't had the software installed that would have detected his activity. (things that make you go hmm) But when it comes to the insider threat, no amount of precautions can stop someone who is very determined.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:58 pm to Jbird
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Now you love Greenwald?
You're a terrible troll
Go away
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:59 pm to Decatur
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but that in no way offers any excuse to Snowden's actions
completely different argument
and an irrelevant one, if the super secret spy agency did its job at a mediocre level
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But when it comes to the insider threat, no amount of precautions can stop someone who is very determined.
sounds like a larger issue with the program itself
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:00 pm to Decatur
Why the frick didn't your lovers grant immunity and minimize the damage? You were calling for Greenwald's head on a pike not long ago, now not so much. 
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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sounds like a larger issue with the program itself
It's the oldest issue in espionage
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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sounds like a complete failure of the bureaucracy and very program itself, from the bottom (Vetting) to the top (security, access, authority, oversight, management, etc)
EXACTLY! And not a single senior leader was relieved for this shite show. And has any of the CEOs of these contracting companies loss a bit of profit or been banned from doing anymore work.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:03 pm to Decatur
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It's the oldest issue in espionage
this is well beyond espionage
this is invading the privacy of hundreds of millions of innocent civilians. they chose the stakes, and they raised htem
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why did the bureaucrats allow a guy like snowden so much access? if there is a failure, it was on the admin itself
So now we blame the government for the leak instead of Snowden? I love how you people rationalize the actions of this guy.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:04 pm to OleWar
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And not a single senior leader was relieved for this shite show.
People got fired because Ed tricked them into giving their credentials
frick Ed Snowden
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