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"If We Don’t Have The Wall, We’re Doing Nothing"--- Trump
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:55 am
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President Trump cleared the air Thursday about his “deal” with the Democrats on DACA, explaining unless an agreement is made to build a border wall between the U.S. and Mexico, “we’re doing nothing.”
video of him talking about it
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:56 am to MButterfly
The democrats problem is that they very well could have gotten him to agree on no wall or a partial wall.
They just couldn't keep their traps shut about it until after it was signed. They could have let him say it was a wall and then changed the media coverage of it after.
They just couldn't keep their traps shut about it until after it was signed. They could have let him say it was a wall and then changed the media coverage of it after.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:57 am to MButterfly
Lol @ loshs thread last night
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:59 am to MButterfly
Better.
As a #MAGA'er, here's what I'd require minimally....
* - Wall/fence/etc. funding for at least 33% of the total structure with more than just updating and "repairs" for existing wall. Needs to be some new construction.
* - Assurances that ICE will continue to process illegals with criminal records
* - Assurances that ICE will continue monitoring the border more aggressively than we've seen in the previous 16 years
* - Proceeding with the proposed cut to refugee admittance into the United States
* - No "blanket amnesty" for ALL illegals, only for these 800,000 Dreamers.
As a #MAGA'er, here's what I'd require minimally....
* - Wall/fence/etc. funding for at least 33% of the total structure with more than just updating and "repairs" for existing wall. Needs to be some new construction.
* - Assurances that ICE will continue to process illegals with criminal records
* - Assurances that ICE will continue monitoring the border more aggressively than we've seen in the previous 16 years
* - Proceeding with the proposed cut to refugee admittance into the United States
* - No "blanket amnesty" for ALL illegals, only for these 800,000 Dreamers.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:01 am to MButterfly
I am the biggest Trump supporter and I fully believe he was going to cave if the backlash wasn't as big as it was. His supporters need to keep pressuring him.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:01 am to SirWinston
quote:Can we tack on a requirement that any voting-age "dreamers" have to register for the GOP?
* - No "blanket amnesty" for ALL illegals, only for these 800,000 Dreamers
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:02 am to SDVTiger
Lol at this thread leaving out the next sentence
quote:
"Very important is the wall. We have to be sure the wall isn't obstructed because without the wall I wouldn't do anything... It doesn't have to be here but they can't obstruct the wall if its in a budget or anything else."
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:03 am to SirWinston
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* - Wall/fence/etc. funding for at least 33% of the total structure with more than just updating and "repairs" for existing wall. Needs to be some new construction.
frick that - I'd say half - with at least the promise of cooperation on the rest.
quote:
* - Assurances that ICE will continue to process illegals with criminal records
frick that - this is not a point for negotiations. This is done if we do nothing else, in other words.
quote:
* - Assurances that ICE will continue monitoring the border more aggressively than we've seen in the previous 16 years
This is harder to bake in because the guy at the top has 100% say so.
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* - Proceeding with the proposed cut to refugee admittance into the United States
Again - use their language against them - no "net" increase due to the DACA program "dreamers".
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* - No "blanket amnesty" for ALL illegals, only for these 800,000 Dreamers.
Not only that, but some bar or delay in citizenship. The "dreamers" should have to pay a fine, get fingerprinted, background checked and be on their best behavior for some period in the future - I say 25 years unless they do something affirmative like become a first responder (for a minimum period of say 2 years) or join the military (and successfully complete their first enlistment).
And they should be barred from bringing others here for some period as well, again, I propose 25 years.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:04 am to CM Tiger83
Maybe, but I know one thing... IF he agrees to get the funding up front, work something out. If not... He he never be re-elected.
He will lose my support.
He will lose my support.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:05 am to Iosh
Isn't his position the strongest for the wall if he makes it part of the agreement on DACA?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:05 am to cokebottleag
quote:word got out ahead of trump being able to say anything about it presumably to damage him with his base. that's why I don't give 2 shits about the hysteria (that and the only reasons I want hombres gone is because it pisses off people I hate)
They just couldn't keep their traps shut about it
and like you said, regardless of what was agreed to, should probably let trump sell it to his base before you say a single word. because if his base hears it from you, sure it damages trump so then he takes that agreement and throws it in the dumpster and loses nothing.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:05 am to Iosh
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It doesn't have to be here but they can't obstruct the wall if its in a budget or anything else."
What's missing that states clearly it has to be in the budget.
"If it's in the budget, they can't obstruct"
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:06 am to cokebottleag
quote:
The democrats problem is that they very well could have gotten him to agree on no wall or a partial wall.
They just couldn't keep their traps shut about it until after it was signed. They could have let him say it was a wall and then changed the media coverage of it after.
There was never a chance Trump would bail on the wall. It is basically his "read my lips." Democrats keep floating it and trying to get him to drop it so they can hang him with it. Trump has given no indication he is dumb enough to sign his own political death warrant.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:06 am to MButterfly
It seems Trump says whatever his audience wants to hear at that particular time. In other words, typical politician.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:07 am to cokebottleag
quote:Negotiations of the deal being leaked; fricked up nobody but the democrats. Their paid trolls on THEDONALD were ready to roll so Nancy and Chuckie had this planned.
The democrats problem is that they very well could have gotten him to agree on no wall or a partial wall.
They just couldn't keep their traps shut about it until after it was signed. They could have let him say it was a wall and then changed the media coverage of it after.
We all knew those already here could stay and that they were revamping it. Yet Coulter blew her wad on this
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Donald J. Trump ?Verified account @realDonaldTrump 6 hours ago
Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:12 am to cajunangelle
that's not too far from my first thoughts which have remained pretty much unchanged.
schumer and Pelosi wanted to damage trump politically and either misrepresented the discussions or cared more about hitting trump with his own base...either way, leaked it.
let's say you got it all, full amnesty, gave up nothing...why would you immediately use that to hit him before the night is even over...he's going to hear from his base, and yeah they'll be pissed, but guess what happens after that?
schumer and Pelosi wanted to damage trump politically and either misrepresented the discussions or cared more about hitting trump with his own base...either way, leaked it.
let's say you got it all, full amnesty, gave up nothing...why would you immediately use that to hit him before the night is even over...he's going to hear from his base, and yeah they'll be pissed, but guess what happens after that?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:12 am to CM Tiger83
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I am the biggest Trump supporter and I fully believe he was going to cave if the backlash wasn't as big as it was. His supporters need to keep pressuring him.
Agree - we saw it with Syria. We're seeing it now.
When Cernovich, Reddit, Coulter, and Breitbart melt Trump retracts and reconsiders.
The problem is that this might only work once or twice more IMO. Another problem is that neutral or better coverage from "Morning Joe" and "Meet the Press" and Maggie Haberman are probably more intoxicating to Trump at this point than glowing coverage from Breitbart.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:14 am to FooManChoo
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Can we tack on a requirement that any voting-age "dreamers" have to register for the GOP?
Does amnesty traditionally come with voting rights? I'd prefer that they remain a special class and have to apply / take tests / earn their citizenship rather than just be handed it. And delay the beginning of that process until 2021.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:16 am to Ace Midnight
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Not only that, but some bar or delay in citizenship. The "dreamers" should have to pay a fine, get fingerprinted, background checked and be on their best behavior for some period in the future - I say 25 years unless they do something affirmative like become a first responder (for a minimum period of say 2 years) or join the military (and successfully complete their first enlistment).
And they should be barred from bringing others here for some period as well, again, I propose 25 years.
This isn't realistic though b/c Trump is so obviously caving like a bitch. The backlash will make him get something, but the ship has sailed on this stuff you're saying
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:18 am to MButterfly
quote:
Maybe, but I know one thing... IF he agrees to get the funding up front, work something out. If not... He he never be re-elected.
He will lose my support.
Isn't he in the position where in 2020 it's Trump or Harris? I mean it's not like you're going to vote for Harris. It's not like you'd vote for McMuffin or even Rand Paul over Trump and give the Presidency to Harris.
No matter how bigly he cucks he still gave us Gorsuch and perhaps more by 2020. He still has cut Moslem refugees and passed regulation reform. He's still got 3.25 more years to get tax cuts, conservative judges, etc.
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