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re: If the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians

Posted on 7/14/17 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 2:31 pm to
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Why would Don Jr. & Co. Feel the need to set up a meeting with random Russian figures

Wouldn't have Russians already been a part of the campaign by then
If there was collusion, an initial meeting and communication had to take place at some point. So that may support the idea that collusion wasn't occurring before the meeting, but it definitely doesn't eliminate the possibility from that date onward.

And it also doesn't mean that other members of the campaign weren't involved in collusion activities prior to that.

But I think it's reasonable to say that IF collusion occurred, it far more likely that it didn't occur before that meeting date.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:05 pm to
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Jr having heard about collusion stories and the media narrative and two very different things.


Jr said he had not heard the media "Russian narrative" before he took the meeting. You don't think he was up to speed on what was being said about his Dad? You're defending a complete and total liar.
Posted by SquirrelyBama
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:08 pm to
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Posted by Lg
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:17 pm to
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If you are gathering information on your opponent, you're going to turn down information because you have enough?

No. That isn't logical.


Why wouldn't you go to the original Russian you colluded with? I'm sure they could provide the same information. But yet, let's set up a meeting with another Russian source that we know nothing about. How many sects of Russians were there wanting to disseminate info on Hillary? Shouldn't all Russians be on the same team?

Yeah, sounds real logical.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:19 pm to
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Why wouldn't you go to the original Russian you colluded with? I'm sure they could provide the same information.


You're sure of that? How would you know that?

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But yet, let's set up a meeting with another Russian source that we know nothing about.


Well...they did just that

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How many sects of Russians were there wanting to disseminate info on Hillary? Shouldn't all Russians be on the same team?


Are we all on the same team? Do we all share the same info?

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Yeah, sounds real logical.


Nothing you said makes sense.
Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:20 pm to
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Don't bring logic into this, the sheep have been lead elsewhere. Anyone capable of thinking for themselves


Puhlease. Your side has been lobotimized to call everything that isn't Pro Trump as "fake news." You can't even acknowledge that Jr clearly set up a meeting with collusion in mind.

Posted by a want
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:24 pm to
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Uh.. when did he lie about it? Is he supposed to remember every single person who was at every single meeting he's ever had? Honestly. Is he

Absolutely.

Believe it or not, this is a serious job for serious people. You have elected the East Coast Kardashians so....it's clearly too hard for them. MYbe they should stick to the tabloids.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6864 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:25 pm to
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You're sure of that? How would you know that?



That was your words. To gather MORE information. So if they are gathering more wouldn't they already have some? I meant that's what you think collusion is.

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Well...they did just that



Yep. Oppo research.

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Are we all on the same team?


Nope. And the more I think about it, if Russia was trying to take down our Democracy, wouldn't that be in the interest of the Left, since you all want to do the same.

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Nothing you said makes sense.


About as much as you do.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:26 pm to
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Shouldn't all Russians be on the same team?

That doesn't mean they don't want to get as many compromised resources as possible.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48745 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:26 pm to
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You have elected the East Coast Kardashians so


I'm honestly worried about you. Maybe step away for a few days. It's going to be ok, man.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:27 pm to
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o if they are gathering more wouldn't they already have some?


Yeah. So answer how they would know that this other person has the same information?

quote:

Yep. Oppo research.


Ok. So why would they turn down more oppo research?

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. And the more I think about it, if Russia was trying to take down our Democracy, wouldn't that be in the interest of the Left, since you all want to do the same.


Anymore strawmen you want to toss my way?



Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6864 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:28 pm to
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compromised resources as possible.


So this looks more like collusion between the Russians and the left to take down Trump, right? Why else would you want to compromise the one you want to win?
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6864 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:31 pm to
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So answer how they would know that this other person has the same information?


That's what collusion is. If Trump is colluding with the Russian government, and this so called attorney is working for the Russian government why wouldn't she have the same information? Are you dense?
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6864 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:32 pm to
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So why would they turn down more oppo research?


There wasn't any. That's why the meeting turned to the adoption deal.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:32 pm to
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That's what collusion is


I don't think you know what collusion is

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If Trump is colluding with the Russian government, and this so called attorney is working for the Russian government why wouldn't she have the same information? Are you dense?


Everyone in the US government has the same information and sources? This is what you are going with?

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:33 pm to
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there wasn't any. That's why the meeting turned to the adoption deal.


I don't think you are following.

Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37589 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:34 pm to
It's fun watching these leftists in here breaking their backs over a meeting which liberal legal experts have deemed totally legal.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:35 pm to
Have I stated it wasn't legal?

The OP posed the theoretical. By the basis of this thread by the OP, we are assuming collusion is true.

Try to keep up.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37589 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:37 pm to
So you're arguing over something that's totally legal? You must be bored
Posted by a want
I love everybody
Member since Oct 2010
19756 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

It's fun watching these leftists in here breaking their backs over a meeting which liberal legal experts have deemed totally legal.

Jesus
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