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re: I’d Like to Hear Some Arguments Why the ID of the Whistleblower is Necessary
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:32 pm to Huevos
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:32 pm to Huevos
A) "whistleblower" is a misnomer here.
B) as mentioned, right to face accuser (see exhibit A).
This has been a right in western civilization for literally thousands of years. But meh orange man bad so frick it.
B) as mentioned, right to face accuser (see exhibit A).
This has been a right in western civilization for literally thousands of years. But meh orange man bad so frick it.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:35 pm to McLemore
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This has been a right in western civilization for literally thousands of years. But meh orange man bad so frick it.
The President is not above the law, but he is also certainly not under the law.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:52 pm to Huevos
There was no whistle blower!
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:53 pm to Huevos
The accusations and inquiry arose due the the complaint field, by the whistleblower, to the ICIG.
Its you that doesn't know wtf is going on. Due process applies, we dont have secret fricking show trials her in the USA Comrade
Its you that doesn't know wtf is going on. Due process applies, we dont have secret fricking show trials her in the USA Comrade
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:53 pm to Huevos
How can you be this dim? The credibility of the WB is important, and to determine credibility you have to know the person and their motivations. It’s not that hard.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:54 pm to Huevos
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Heard a GOP pundit rationalize the necessity of revealing the whistleblower’s identity by saying “if someone yells fire and you look over and there is actually a fire, you want to know who first saw the fire.” Not sure I understand his argument there
That's because it was an argument against revealing the WB as being "unnecessary"
I believe this is in the same category of the "Dossier"= a fake that kept the country divided for 2 years and used as a cudgel for getting a DEM HoR so they could use ANOTHER fake report to n-pinch a POTUS they have hated for 3 full years now - remember the slogan = "take him down - BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!" ==
FIRST - this asshat is not a 'whistle blower" if he is only reporting on "what he heard" = if the ones telling him that are not willing to "blow the whistle" themselves on something that is "dangerous for our national security" then it must not be so 'dangerous to our national security' - Ten or Twelve people hearing the same thing didn't think it was anything nefarious.
The ONLY people who thought it was "nefarious" are the same ones who believed the 'piss dossier' and wanted the Mueller investigation to take him down.
This is all a damned hoax - and this WB needs to meet the same fate that Jussie Somllett should face.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:59 pm to Huevos
This is the best troll I’ve seen in a while.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:04 pm to Huevos
That’s a funny take. I bet if you were he accused you would want the first to face you and allow you to confront them. GTFO with the rest of your drivel. This subject has been discussed many times and there are many reasons.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:37 pm to Huevos
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at length with a colleague
Your colleague when he got home:
"Honey, I think I just may have found the dumbest person on the planet."
6th amendment, dude. Look it up
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:41 pm to Huevos
You sure smoked out a bunch of conservative constitutional charlatans.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:45 pm to texashorn
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You sure smoked out a bunch of conservative constitutional charlatans.
Uh Huh...
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:47 pm to Dale51
You seem very upset that the Sixth Amendment doesn't apply to a political impeachment.
Take it up with the Founding Fathers.
Take it up with the Founding Fathers.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:51 pm to Huevos
If it comes to a trial in the senate he will not only get named but will get grilled as well. You don't get to selectively witness without being crossed in a real trial.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:58 pm to Huevos
Because once he is officially outed then public investigations in to his bias and behind the scenes sworn to undermine the president will come out to the public
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:04 pm to texashorn
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You seem very upset that the Sixth Amendment doesn't apply to a political impeachment.
Are you the OPs alter? Because there cant be 2 people that stupid in the same thread
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Supreme Court increased the scope of the Confrontation Clause by ruling that "testimonial" out-of-court statements are inadmissible if the accused did not have the opportunity to cross-examine that accuser and that accuser is unavailable at trial.
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The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside:
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:09 pm to Huevos
If a "whistleblower" is a witness, then his credibility is EXTREMELY relevant. His credibility cannot be established if he is anonymous. In fact, his standing as a "witness" cannot even be corroborated if anonymous.
Dumbass.
Dumbass.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:11 pm to texashorn
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he Sixth Amendment doesn't apply to a political impeachment.
It does if the Senate says it will in the trial on the articles of Impeachment.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:13 pm to RobbBobb
Let me help you.
Impeachment is similar to a grand jury proceeding. You do not have a right to examine evidence presented before a grand jury, have your attorney present before a grand jury or cross-examine witnesses at a grand jury.
As for the Senate trial, I am not aware of any precedent stopping the suspension of any of those rights, either. The Senate makes the rules. Affording those rights in the Senate trial seems to be a courtesy, NOT a constitutional right.
Impeachment is similar to a grand jury proceeding. You do not have a right to examine evidence presented before a grand jury, have your attorney present before a grand jury or cross-examine witnesses at a grand jury.
As for the Senate trial, I am not aware of any precedent stopping the suspension of any of those rights, either. The Senate makes the rules. Affording those rights in the Senate trial seems to be a courtesy, NOT a constitutional right.
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