Started By
Message

re: I’d Like to Hear Some Arguments Why the ID of the Whistleblower is Necessary

Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31541 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:32 pm to
A) "whistleblower" is a misnomer here.

B) as mentioned, right to face accuser (see exhibit A).

This has been a right in western civilization for literally thousands of years. But meh orange man bad so frick it.
Posted by Cromulent
Down the Bayou
Member since Oct 2016
2820 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:34 pm to
Nice troll, huevos pequenos
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
7744 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

This has been a right in western civilization for literally thousands of years. But meh orange man bad so frick it.


The President is not above the law, but he is also certainly not under the law.
Posted by Possumslayer
Pascagoula
Member since Jan 2018
6214 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:52 pm to
There was no whistle blower!
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:53 pm to
The accusations and inquiry arose due the the complaint field, by the whistleblower, to the ICIG.

Its you that doesn't know wtf is going on. Due process applies, we dont have secret fricking show trials her in the USA Comrade
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
22268 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:53 pm to
How can you be this dim? The credibility of the WB is important, and to determine credibility you have to know the person and their motivations. It’s not that hard.

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42843 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:54 pm to
quote:

Heard a GOP pundit rationalize the necessity of revealing the whistleblower’s identity by saying “if someone yells fire and you look over and there is actually a fire, you want to know who first saw the fire.” Not sure I understand his argument there


That's because it was an argument against revealing the WB as being "unnecessary"

I believe this is in the same category of the "Dossier"= a fake that kept the country divided for 2 years and used as a cudgel for getting a DEM HoR so they could use ANOTHER fake report to n-pinch a POTUS they have hated for 3 full years now - remember the slogan = "take him down - BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!" ==

FIRST - this asshat is not a 'whistle blower" if he is only reporting on "what he heard" = if the ones telling him that are not willing to "blow the whistle" themselves on something that is "dangerous for our national security" then it must not be so 'dangerous to our national security' - Ten or Twelve people hearing the same thing didn't think it was anything nefarious.

The ONLY people who thought it was "nefarious" are the same ones who believed the 'piss dossier' and wanted the Mueller investigation to take him down.

This is all a damned hoax - and this WB needs to meet the same fate that Jussie Somllett should face.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140748 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:59 pm to
This is the best troll I’ve seen in a while.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105449 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:04 pm to
That’s a funny take. I bet if you were he accused you would want the first to face you and allow you to confront them. GTFO with the rest of your drivel. This subject has been discussed many times and there are many reasons.
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10179 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:19 pm to
Motive
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27972 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

at length with a colleague

Your colleague when he got home:

"Honey, I think I just may have found the dumbest person on the planet."



6th amendment, dude. Look it up
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:41 pm to
You sure smoked out a bunch of conservative constitutional charlatans.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:45 pm to
quote:

You sure smoked out a bunch of conservative constitutional charlatans.


Uh Huh...
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:47 pm to
You seem very upset that the Sixth Amendment doesn't apply to a political impeachment.

Take it up with the Founding Fathers.
Posted by jimdog
columbus, ga
Member since Dec 2012
6636 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:51 pm to
If it comes to a trial in the senate he will not only get named but will get grilled as well. You don't get to selectively witness without being crossed in a real trial.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21967 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:58 pm to
Because once he is officially outed then public investigations in to his bias and behind the scenes sworn to undermine the president will come out to the public
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27972 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:04 pm to
quote:

You seem very upset that the Sixth Amendment doesn't apply to a political impeachment.

Are you the OPs alter? Because there cant be 2 people that stupid in the same thread
quote:

Supreme Court increased the scope of the Confrontation Clause by ruling that "testimonial" out-of-court statements are inadmissible if the accused did not have the opportunity to cross-examine that accuser and that accuser is unavailable at trial.

quote:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside:
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:09 pm to
If a "whistleblower" is a witness, then his credibility is EXTREMELY relevant. His credibility cannot be established if he is anonymous. In fact, his standing as a "witness" cannot even be corroborated if anonymous.


Dumbass.
Posted by cajunandy
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2015
674 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

he Sixth Amendment doesn't apply to a political impeachment.


It does if the Senate says it will in the trial on the articles of Impeachment.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:13 pm to
Let me help you.

Impeachment is similar to a grand jury proceeding. You do not have a right to examine evidence presented before a grand jury, have your attorney present before a grand jury or cross-examine witnesses at a grand jury.

As for the Senate trial, I am not aware of any precedent stopping the suspension of any of those rights, either. The Senate makes the rules. Affording those rights in the Senate trial seems to be a courtesy, NOT a constitutional right.
first pageprev pagePage 3 of 5Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram