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I have big problems with the way Tennessee is choosing to fund "free" college
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:06 pm
The state of Tennessee, with its "conservative" governor a few months ago embarked on an ambitious plan to make community college free for anyone who gets in.
Setting aside the fact that this is a solution in search of a problem (I have never known a single person who didn't attend CC because of cost), the program is being funded by lottery revenue.
Here is the problem.
1) Even though they are community colleges, they are still being attended by students who are generally from middle or upper middle class families who tend to not have money worries. Low income and broken family kids out of high school generally don't even shoot for attending CC, for cultural and academic issues.
2) Lottery tickets are disproportionally bought by poor people .
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So, Tennessee has invented a problem (that CC is experiencing a cost crisis), and has chosen to solve this invented problem by having poor, dumb, helpless people pay money so that johnny, who screwed up in high school, can still please his middle or upper middle parents by attending community college.
Setting aside the fact that this is a solution in search of a problem (I have never known a single person who didn't attend CC because of cost), the program is being funded by lottery revenue.
Here is the problem.
1) Even though they are community colleges, they are still being attended by students who are generally from middle or upper middle class families who tend to not have money worries. Low income and broken family kids out of high school generally don't even shoot for attending CC, for cultural and academic issues.
2) Lottery tickets are disproportionally bought by poor people .
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So, Tennessee has invented a problem (that CC is experiencing a cost crisis), and has chosen to solve this invented problem by having poor, dumb, helpless people pay money so that johnny, who screwed up in high school, can still please his middle or upper middle parents by attending community college.
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Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This is a terrible logic. Anyone can by a lottery ticket and anyone can go to community college. Fair is fair.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Lotteries are immoral and shameful. Tax on the poor and stupid.
If gambling is illegal in Tennessee, the lottery should be too.
If gambling is illegal in Tennessee, the lottery should be too.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:12 pm to AtticusOSullivan
quote:In theory, but not in practice.
This is a terrible logic. Anyone can by a lottery ticket and anyone can go to community college. Fair is fair.
Our higher education system is disproprtionally attended by kids from financially stable households.
Our lottery system is propped up by poor people.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
TN Promise.
My son is using it. What would you like to know about it? I think its a great program. He gets a free AD and then can transfer to pretty much any 4 year college in the state to finish.
Its saving us a fortune over wasting a ton of money for him to screw around his first 2 years of a regular college (like I did and everyone I know did) and there's no stigma transferring to pretty much any college in the state since they all work with this program.
Why are you hating on it? Its only like a $3,000/semester grant.
My son is using it. What would you like to know about it? I think its a great program. He gets a free AD and then can transfer to pretty much any 4 year college in the state to finish.
Its saving us a fortune over wasting a ton of money for him to screw around his first 2 years of a regular college (like I did and everyone I know did) and there's no stigma transferring to pretty much any college in the state since they all work with this program.
Why are you hating on it? Its only like a $3,000/semester grant.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:20 pm to CAD703X
quote:
Its saving us a fortune over wasting a ton of money for him to screw around his first 2 years of a regular college (like I did and everyone I know did) and there's no stigma transferring to pretty much any college in the state since they all work with this program.
Its nice when welfare queens admit who they are.
You are saying you were too lazy to raise a kid who values education and would frick around for 2 years.
Now you want the tax payers to fund up your limited offspring.
I'll allow it.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:21 pm to mahdragonz
quote:not just any taxpayers....poor people buying lotto
Now you want the tax payers to fund up your limited offspring.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:21 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Do you live in Tennessee?
If so move out or deal with it.
Problem solved.
If so move out or deal with it.
Problem solved.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
... through their own free will. The government is not forcing them to buy the tickets and fund the program.
As a conservative, why are you against personal freedom and choice?
As a conservative, why are you against personal freedom and choice?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:27 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
The government is not forcing them to buy the tickets and fund the program.
As a conservative, why are you against personal freedom and choice?
Because it is not based solely on choice.
TN bans all other forms of gambling.
Because the state prevents any sort of competition, the revenue generated by the lottery program is not a genuine market outcome. In a free market, this revenue, at the very least, would be split among competing firms. State revenue generated through monopoly gains is every bit as coercive and invasive in a market economy as revenue generated through taxation, even if it is less obvious.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
You are worse than a nagging in law.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:28 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:
Lotteries are immoral and shameful. Tax on the poor and stupid.
Cry me a river.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Our lottery system is propped up by poor people.
I can't think of anything else they do for the country.....I'll take it.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:31 pm to HonoraryCoonass
frick you. I want to open a casino, and Tennessee won't let me.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Worry about your own state?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'm assuming TN already has a lottery? If so, the tickets are already being bought and will continue to be bought no matter where the money generated is used. Denying the funding for community colleges won't prevent ticket buyers from making bad decisions.
That leaves just one question: Where are the lottery profits being used at the present time, and would funding community college be a better use of the money?
That leaves just one question: Where are the lottery profits being used at the present time, and would funding community college be a better use of the money?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's still a choice for the poor to choose to participate in the lottery. Your entire premise is that it is somehow unfair those dollars come from poor hands instead of middle class ones because the poor don't know any better. I'd almost say that sounds suspiciously like the subtle elitism of modern liberalism.
And I hate to break it to you, but poors (and non-poors) are also engaging in non state-sanctioned gambling.
And I hate to break it to you, but poors (and non-poors) are also engaging in non state-sanctioned gambling.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:37 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:
frick you. I want to open a casino, and Tennessee won't let me.
Keep crying. I am certain your tears will convince the Tennessee legislature to change its mind.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So you want the government to step in and tell people how they should spend their money because you think its irresponsible.
Definition of nanny state. Conservative my arse.
Definition of nanny state. Conservative my arse.
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