I can't understand why the incident in Waco (David Koresh) is a tragedy

I see your point, but it's a little more complicated. Sexual abuse aside, you had a bunch of people who fell for his manipulation and came to believe that one day the government was going to show up with guns and do harm to them. Consequently, they armed themselves, practiced shooting, tactics etc.

By handling it the way that they (feds) did, they gave them the apocalyptic scenario that they (davidians) had been prepared for.

The tragedy is that with some restraint the feds could have accomplished the necessary task of shutting it down without showing up like Armageddon had arrived. They played right into Koresh's scheme.

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By handling it the way that they (feds) did, they gave them the apocalyptic scenario that they (davidians) had been prepared for.

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I see that Koresh manipulated the situation so that his apocalyptic predictions came true, but in the grand scheme of things he is a footnote in the history books. I don't believe in an afterlife so for me the outcome of the standoff was a tidy ending to a complicated situation.

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Even the local police said they could have arrested him any day of the week away from the compound They said he would be in town alone picking up supplies so I'm not sure why they felt the need to storm it

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At the time (1993) I remember thinking why don't they just starve them out? Honestly you could just have snipers posted outside 24/7 and they (the Branch Dividians) would be restricted to the interior of the compound. No farming allowed.

I know they were prepared for government intervention into their lives, but I wonder how much food they had stockpiled.

What crimes did the Koresh followers commit other than being dumb enough to be in a cult? Wouldn't that define 99% of SJW's?

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What crimes did the Koresh followers commit other than being dumb enough to be in a cult? Wouldn't that define 99t% of SJW's?

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They allowed Koresh to have sex with underage women. They bore a lot of little Koresh babies.

Statutory rape is a crime I take seriously.

I don't understand the bolded sentence.

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n general, we usually do not have ATF serve as judge, jury and executioner.

Many police shootings involve the killing of someone who is sort of a reprobate. That does not mean that the POS does not get a trial before a judge and jury before execution.

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I don't understand. How did the ATF and FBI act as judge, jury, and executioner?

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It was a tragedy mishandled by keystone cop Feds and our murderer in chief Janget Reno

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I understand how it was mishandled but why is it considered a tragedy?

If some dude goes and shoots someone and then shoots himself, I don't consider the suicide a tragedy. That POS deserved to die. Same with Koresh.

You doing any gigs in the BR area? I'd love to catch your standup.

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I understand how it was mishandled but why is it considered a tragedy?

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It is considered a tragedy because it was mishandled.

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Could they have gone on to be productive in society with education and therapy?

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If you are talking about how their lives would have been if the situation would have ended peacefully, then I share your curiosity.

There are cases of cult members becoming more ideological after dealing with Their legal troubles as well as becoming completely "normal" after years of therapy. I'm sure some would have assimilated and some would have gone off the deep end.

If you're willing to burn yourself and children alive then I don't think you are joining normal society without years of therapy.

It is of note that most cults dissolve after the death of the leader (for obvious reasons). If Koresh would have been the only one killed then I'm sure almost all of his followers would have developed normal lives.

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If you are talking about how their lives would have been if the situation would have ended peacefully, then I share your curiosity.

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I am.

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There are cases of cult members becoming more ideological after dealing with Their legal troubles as well as becoming completely "normal" after years of therapy.

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Correct. Many do just that. Below is a list of those who died during the final assault.

Chanel Andrade, 1, American
Jennifer Andrade, 19, American
Katherine Andrade, 24, American
George Bennett, 35, British
Susan Benta, 31, British
Mary Jean Borst, 49, American
Pablo Cohen, 38, Israeli
Adebowale Davies, 30, British
Shari Doyle, 18, American
Beverly Elliot, 30, British
Doris Fagan, 51, British
Yvette Fagan, 32, British
Lisa Marie Farris, 24, American
Raymond Friesen, 76, Canadian
Sandra Hardial, 27, British
Diana Henry, 28, British
Paulina Henry, 24, British
Phillip Henry, 22, British
Stephen Henry, 26, British
Vanessa Henry, 19, British
Zilla Henry, 55, British
Novellette Hipsman, 36, Canadian
Floyd Houtman, 61, American
Sherri Jewell, 43, American
David M. Jones, 38, American
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2, American
Cyrus Koresh, 8, American
David Koresh, 33, American
Rachel Koresh, 24, American
Star Koresh, 6, American
Jeffery Little, 32, American
Nicole Gent Little (pregnant), 24, Australian
Dayland Lord Gent, 3, Australian[72]
Paiges Gent,[73] 1, American
Livingston Malcolm, 26, British
Anita Martin, 18, American
Diane Martin, 41, British
Lisa Martin, 13, American
Sheila Martin, Jr., 15, American
Wayne Martin, Jr., 20, American
Wayne Martin, Sr., 42, American
Abigail Martinez, 11, American
Audrey Martinez, 13, American
Crystal Martinez, 3, American
Isaiah Martinez, 4, American
Joseph Martinez, 8, American
Julliete Martinez, 30, American
John-Mark McBean, 27, British
Bernadette Monbelly, 31, British
Melissa Morrison, 6, British
Rosemary Morrison, 29, British
Sonia Murray, 29, American
Theresa Nobrega, 48, British
James Riddle, 32, American
Rebecca Saipaia, 24, Filipino[74]
Judy Schneider, 41, American
Steve Schneider, 43, American
Mayanah Schneider, 2, American
Clifford Sellors, 33, British
Scott Kojiro Sonobe, 35, American
Floracita Sonobe, 34, Filipino
Aisha Gyrfas Summers (pregnant), 17, Australian
Gregory Summers, 28, American
Startle Summers, 1, American
Hollywood Sylvia, 1, American
Lorraine Sylvia, 40, American
Rachel Sylvia, 12, American
Chica Jones, 2, American
Michelle Jones Thibodeau, 18, American
Serenity Jones, 4, American
Little One Jones, 2, American
Margarida Vaega, 47, New Zealander
Neal Vaega, 38, New Zealander
Mark H. Wendell, 40, American

Given the ages of many of them, they could have had the possibility of going on to have a decent life. This is what makes it a tragedy.