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I can accept that Putin wanted Trump to win, but

Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted by baybeefeetz
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:03 pm
What I am not hearing in then media is any discussion of why. Now, if I were Putin I wouldn't have any concerns about saying publicly what was wrong with HRC's ideas and plans. Maybe he has a problematic reason for not doing so.

But the media doesn't seem to be discussing why Trump is better for Russia.

Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:05 pm to
He didn't, he wanted Bernie
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:09 pm to
I agree. There are 2 important questions that I have wanted to be answered and have not heard the answers to.

1. WHY did Putin want Trump to win over Hillary.

2. Where are some specific examples of "fake news" originating from Russia. Actual articles.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:14 pm to
I don't think he had a preference except for the next POTUS to NOT be Hillary Rodham Clinton.



Who wants WWIII?
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
7318 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:15 pm to
I don't think Putin cared who won. If anything he probably preferred Hillary. I think he assumed like a lot of people that Hillary was going to win and he wanted to undermine her presidency.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:20 pm to
I haven't seen one mention of motive in the print media.
The closest I've seen is on a conspiracy source that says Putin wants to re-establish the USSR and that begins with taking back the Eastern Block.

Supposedly, Putin is planning a big military exercise in Eastern Europe in February. There is such an exercise planned but I'm still not convinced of the motive.
Posted by Cruiserhog
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:23 pm to
Hillary understood Russia is in the crappper, their military is shite, their economy is shite, they would have faced sanctions and an aggressive Nato under Hillary and she knew how to exploit that going forward.

Trumps has business in Russia that would be revealed if he would released his tax Returns...I think it was Don Jr. said 'alot of money coming in from Russia in 2008, and that Russia 'makes up a disproportionate makeup of their assets'

Trump say Putin is great leader, when in fact he is a dictator
Trump say our 'intelligence' dont know

Putin wanted Trump to win because he can manipulate him and apparently its working
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:24 pm to
The FBI reddit guy said he wanted Trump to win because it would insure that there would be no WW3.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Trumps has business in Russia that would be revealed if he would released his tax Returns...I think it was Don Jr. said 'alot of money coming in from Russia in 2008, and that Russia 'makes up a disproportionate makeup of their assets'



Any sources on those?

quote:

Trump say Putin is great leader, when in fact he is a dictator



These are not mutually exclusive terms, not that I'm calling Putin a great leader, just that one can be both.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:28 pm to
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she knew how to exploit that going forward.


She sure had their asses scared with the reset button and the selling of our uranium to them. That is one stone cold, Russian fighting bitch right there.

Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

What I am not hearing in then media is any discussion of why. Now, if I were Putin I wouldn't have any concerns about sa

It's all in the report.

It goes back to Putin's 2011 election in which an independent election watchdog organization based in Germany I think concluded Putin's election was rigged including things like stuffing the ballot box.

Hillary as SOS was very vocal internationally about the election corruption by Putin. Thousands of Russians protested in the streets and Putin ordered the arrest of thousands of protesters.

Putin explicitly blamed Hillary Clinton for the protest riots and was looking to get revenge for the delegitimization of his presidency.

That's it in a nutshell.

LINK TO INTELL REPORT

This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 3:38 pm
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34102 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:30 pm to
this was more about Clinton and Brennen screwing with Russian elections...a get back
Posted by ProfessionalAmateur
Member since Apr 2015
1022 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

I agree. There are 2 important questions that I have wanted to be answered and have not heard the answers to.

1. WHY did Putin want Trump to win over Hillary.

2. Where are some specific examples of "fake news" originating from Russia. Actual articles.


Unfortunately I don't think we're ever going to hear this. MSM wants the point driven repeatedly that Russia influenced the election, tampered, tainted, tinkered with it without providing any additional details. You have to pass a bill to find out what's in it but it's apparently worse if you get to look at these emails and notes about the DNC's dealings.
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19103 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

I can accept that Putin wanted Trump to win, but

What I am not hearing in then media is any discussion of why.

Because 'Crooked' is a Soros puppet who would start a proxy war with Russia. And Putin knows it.
This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

The FBI reddit guy



LINK

This was posted July/September 2016

Clinton et all - Russia bad umkay
Trump et all - ISIS / China bad umkay

See if it plays out like he calls it...



His (trump) plan is to have a war with Saudi Arabia and a detente with Russia, throwing China under the bus. Higher petro prices would be good for US economy (energy is the only growth industry over the last decade of any significance) but his opposition will tank the economy with financial shenanigans if he is elected and attempt to punish the public severely for refusing to accept Clinton.



We suggest that Trump allow Russia to finish off ISIS, cuts off western funding for them, and stages a soft coup in Saudi Arabia to turn them into a US rather than British client state and use the new possession as leverage against China. No military campaign necessary, trade negotiations with China become incredibly easy, and US / Russian economies are both revitalized as the other two of the top 3 big petro powers.

Don't care who is the face of the policy.




There are many significant families involved with the Federal Reserve. Several banking houses that go back to Venice, the Dutch and British royalty.

No aliens.

Hillary is the regime's preferred candidate. They are willing to go with Trump and start a major depression after he gets into office to discredit nationalism though.

Global conflict coming down the line has a lot to do with who gets selected in America this year. Trump wants war with Saudi Arabia and alliance with Russia; Clinton wants more proxy wars against Russia and friendly relationships with China.



The main reason an attack on Saudi Arabia is being considered is because the world economy is headed for another deep recession. There is already a glut of oil and it would only get worse. This is very destabilizing to the petrodollar order. There are other benefits like putting pressure on China, but preserving the western financial system is the primary goal.

The purpose of ISIS is to lay the groundwork for another intervention in the ME. You've probably seen a lot of press about Saudi funding of ISIS, and the 28 9/11 pages is another prong in the effort.



Saudis will be blamed for supporting 9/11 and ISIS (rather than the west) by Trump. This is part of why he goes on and on about the nonexistent threat of terror



8/2016 - Cyberterrorism false flags are on the way. There is going to be a major effort to choke off the internet as an avenue to share ideas and dissent soon.



The US will attempt to start prosecuting thought crimes soon as they currently do in Europe. It is very important that the public exercises their right to dissent by refusing to convict as jurors. Even here you have limited ability to act as jury pools are carefully selected to only allow "blue pilled" people. You guys are doing about the best you can on this front already by exercising your right to be provocative, offensive, etc., on a daily basis.




Posted by Calvin Coolidge
Member since Jun 2016
467 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:55 pm to
What concerns me is the lack of outrage over the information from the hacking that was made public. How can any self respecting person support a party that operates in that manner. Perhaps attempting to place blame for the hacking is a smokescreen to avoid discussing that.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36050 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:00 pm to
There are two valid reasons why Putin would prefer Trump to Clinton:

1) Oil - the Russians control the flow of natural gas into Europe through their partnership with the Iranians. This is not good for business for the Gulf States, primarily Saudi Arabia. There is a reason why the Clinton Foundation was accepting millions of dollars from the Gulf States themselves and their proxies. There was an expectation that the Clintons would use their power and influence to derail the flow of Iranian petrol to Europe through Russia.

2) Russia's Civil Wars - The Russians have been fighting wars with Chechen and Dagestani Muslims for decades. These hot zones are in the Caucasus region not far from the violence in Turkey and Syria. The Russians want groups like ISIL contained less the violence spill over into the Caucasus. They know Clinton is nothing more than a neoconservative and is far more likely to meddle and engage in war in the region, especially to depose Assad. Trump actually presents as the better choice because he has tended to be more of a non-interventionist given his opposition to the Iraq War.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

I don't think Putin cared who won. If anything he probably preferred Hillary. I think he assumed like a lot of people that Hillary was going to win and he wanted to undermine her presidency.




This is the most plausible explanation so far.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67096 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:04 pm to
HRC wanted a no fly zone over Syria to depose Assad. In the debates, when pressed on whether a no-fly zone would entail shooting down Russian jets if necessary, she said yes. Hillary was calling for a war against Russia. Russia does not want a war with the United States, so if they were going to support someone, they would obviously be supporting the candidate NOT calling for war against them.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:09 pm to
Because we expect political parties to be ruthless in pushing their agenda. That's kinda their function/role.

Watching the sausage get made isn't pretty.

Also, the fact that these were private emails released for nefarious purposes by a foreign actor didn't help. I think most Americans respect the right to privacy too. Additionally, many of the email documents lack context and explanation causing the readers to draw their own biased conclusions without getting the full story.
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