re: HR 621 - Selling Off Our Public Lands - to be withdrawn

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thatthang

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This man gets it.

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I love your tone and use of quotation marks around the word 'sportsmen." First of all, I will just emphasize what you already (hopefully) know: calling someone a 'snowflake' or 'cuck' immediately identifies you as a brainless dolt.

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Only to the reactionaries among my opposition. The truly educated, understand sarcasm. Maybe that's your problem.

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But since we have digressed to name calling, I'll go ahead and toss in what you are: a pussy. I don't want to make too many assumptions about you but I'm fairly certain I would find your idea of 'getting in the outdoors' to be without any effort, risk, and reward- utterly boring. You drive your fatass to your deer stand, shoot a buck, and drive it back to camp. Great, try elk hunting, pussy.

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Oops, that's definitely your problem. The fact that you publicly display the mindless ramblings, assumptions, and name calling that your mind so vomits freely, is distressing.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
- Socrates

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There are places I could take you in the Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico wilderness where I'm certain you would wilt and collapse long before the final destination, mentally and physically breaking down when you first tasted the feeling of truly being on your own: in a situation where making the wrong decision could easily result in losing your life.

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You probably inhaled the dusty remnants of the shite I started leaving in those places in the 1970s! I Did come extremely close to dying in Wyoming. Surviving a bad decision greatly increased my wisdom.

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These places are never private holdings

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Simply wrong. But, you occasionally have to pay for the actual upkeep!

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like I said to the guy above, just because you don't get out and enjoy them, don't take away the opportunities of your grandsons

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Once again your feverish brain is making incorrect assumptions! If this sale had gone through my grandsons (and hopefully granddaughters) would still have 99.5% of today's public lands.

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These places are all of our birthrights

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You repeatedly refer to these places as wilderness, but if hundreds of millions start using their birthrights the "wild" will leave the wilderness.

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we should protect them rigorously.

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What happens when the "fatass pussies" as you call them decide to prohibit all human activities (hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, etc) to be the proper way to "protect them most rigorously"?

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try elk hunting

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then!

(1) You started with the name calling (even if you now claim you were being sarcastic), that is not a tactic I generally employ. To show the ridiculousness of your actions I made a broad generalization about you that I have no way of supporting. Let's just call this one a wash.

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Surviving a bad decision greatly increased my wisdom.

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If only more in this country could experience such powerful moments for growth.

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Simply wrong. But, you occasionally have to pay for the actual upkeep!

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Speaking of WY, show me a private holding that even comes close to touching the Wind Rivers in terms of wild environment, even if on a smaller scale.

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Once again your feverish brain is making incorrect assumptions! If this sale had gone through my grandsons (and hopefully granddaughters) would still have 99.5% of today's public lands.

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This argument is so weak, and can be used for eternity until everything is sold off, piece by piece. Probably 85% of our land has been developed in some way. Isn't that enough?

(5) Not worried about people overwhelming the true 'wilderness.' Most people are too lazy to substantially leave the roads. And permit systems can further limit traffic when needed.

“Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit, and as vital to our lives as water and good bread. A civilization which destroys what little remains of the wild, the spare, the original, is cutting itself off from its origins and betraying the principle of civilization itself.

A man could be a lover and defender of the wilderness without ever in his lifetime leaving the boundaries of asphalt, powerlines, and right-angled surfaces. We need wilderness whether or not we ever set foot in it. We need a refuge even though we may never need to set foot in it. We need the possibility of escape as surely as we need hope; without it the life of the cities would drive all men into crime or drugs or psychoanalysis.”

- Edward Abbey

Muh Elk!

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The most robust protection of our wilderness would be the total exclusion of humans. Maybe they will allow limited academic studies by a few approved scientists. Your grandchildren will see this!

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You keep resorting to this extreme, straw man's argument. You seem to insist that there is no middle ground between a government selloff of land to private entities for development and absolute prohibition of man to access this land. I, of course, am advocating for the middle road: protecting the little bit we have left in an intelligent manner for the benefit and enjoyment of present and future generations.

ETA: In other words, I'm essentially arguing for the status quo. You seem to be the one advocating for an extreme reversal of current policy.

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Speaking of WY, show me a private holding that even comes close to touching the Wind Rivers in terms of wild environment, even if on a smaller scale.

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First I wish to point out that we have overwhelming agreement with wilderness and its use.

I will pick land close to private property I own:
Joyce WMA is a 27,487 acre tract located in southern Tangipahoa Parish five miles south of Hammond, LA. The 12,809 acres that originally comprised the WMA was donated by the Joyce Foundation in 1982. In 1994, an additional 2,250 acres was donated to LDWF by the Guste Heirs. The 8,364 acre Salmen/Octavia Tract was acquired in 2008 and the 2,729 acre Dendinger Tract was acquired in 2010. An additional 851 acres and 484 acres are leased from the Joyce Foundation and the Tangipahoa Parish School Board, respectively.

This entire area is a wetland within the Pontchartrain Basin and consists primarily of cypress-tupelo swamp. A large portion of the area is a dense shrub-marsh community with red maple, wax-myrtle, red bay, and younger cypress-tupelo. A 500 acre fresh marsh of primarily maiden-cane is located on the northern portion of the property. Recently, a Limited Access Area (LAA) was established in the northwestern corner of Joyce WMA. The LAA prohibits the use of internal combustion engines year-round (see WMA map for specific location).

The most sought game animals on Joyce WMA include white-tailed deer, waterfowl, rabbit and squirrel. Freshwater fish, including largemouth bass, sunfish, and catfish are also pursued on the area. Alligators and a variety of other herpetofauna are common on this WMA. Bald eagles and osprey nest in and around the WMA. Numerous other species of birds, including neotropical migrants, utilize this coastal forest during fall and spring migrations. Resident waterfowl, including wood ducks, mottled ducks, hooded mergansers, and black-bellied whistling ducks, are found on the area year-round.

I picked this now public land for several reasons. This was federal land acquired by the Louisiana Purchase and the acquisition of Spanish Florida. It was sold to private individuals. It was later donated to the State of Louisiana not the BLM. The state officials decided to make it a public WMA. Most of the land around it is private property and is indistinguishable from it. Private ownership for centuries and state ownership today created a wilderness accessible to people outside of federal control!

The big difference between you and I is faith in the federal government to keep public access to "our" birthright. We do not own it! We share it with your fatassed pussies, PETA, and millions and millions of urbanites who think public lands mean at most a road trip to Ole Faithful. They already outnumber outdoorsmen! How far behind save the whales will be followed by save the elk? If I had a dollar for every time I've heard hunting called murder, I'd be adding to my stock of frozen elk right now. I'm down to one small roast that I regularly check for signs of freezer burn. Think I'll cook it this weekend before I lose it.

New York and California cannot easily prevent Louisiana citizens from hunting state or private property. But they sure as hell can keep us out of the National Forests!

Elk meatloaf is rather tasty

Friends miles and miles apart!

Not only are we miles apart, we come from different worlds in the same country. Less of your state is owned by the federals than many western states, but they do own about 36% of your state. In Louisiana they only own about 4 1/2%! Yet the motto printed the most on our license plates is "Sportsman's Paradise". Wild food gathering, hunting, fishing, and trapping are an important element of our heritage. Just watch the movie Waterboy to see how much Holly Wood makes fun of what we will eat!

We can do without the Feds because the people of Louisiana through OUR elected officials have built a nice range of state lands into our WMAs. Our state hunting and fishing licenses help support them. Some land has been purchased and some donated by private individuals and corporations. Go to wlf.louisiana.gov and look at the map of Louisiana in green with the WMAs in red. One can leave the French Quarter of New Orleans and drive by Joyce WMA in about 30 minutes!

Much of privately owned rural LA is available to hunt. My family and friends hunted swamp rabbits for free on an old orange farm down the Mississippi for a decade with the permission of the old lady who owned it. We just fixed little things around her house and visited her. Some still hunt it as a lease from her descendents. Groups of hunters form life long friends by joining hunting clubs that make large sections of land leases affordable. And leases allow private ownership to benignly neglect their unimproved land by paying the property tax and putting a little spending money in their pockets. Landowners win, wildlife wins, and sportsmen win. And the anti hunters of the world can kiss our collective arses!

Oh by the way, the whale species hunted by the Japanese on Whale Wars are not endangered. They are either at capacity, or there numbers are increasing, despite the hunting. You are a person who advocates harvesting wildlife for human consumption, sport, and becoming part of nature. But they have you convinced whales are endangered! How hard to convince a young mother and children in Central Park that a shot that dropped a deer with out a step is not a thing of beauty but a great evil!?

I think Colorado ownership and Colorado citizen ownership will better guarantee your future hunting rights. I would be happy to purchase a Colorado out of state hunting license to help maintain y'alls WMA system!