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How underrated was Nixon?
Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:45 am
I’ve always thought he was a great president, and if not for WG, he would be right up there with Reagan.
He’s gotten a bad rap. If you ask someone today on the street about him, they’d likely say he was scumbag without any knowledge.
He’s gotten a bad rap. If you ask someone today on the street about him, they’d likely say he was scumbag without any knowledge.
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:46 am to tigahfan747
Opening relations with China and getting off the gold standard are BIG negatives.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:47 am to tigahfan747
Absent Watergate, I think he would be solidly in the top quarter of presidents, historically. Especially as to foreign policy issues. He was a wonk on those issues.
Top two or three? In my opinion, no.
Top two or three? In my opinion, no.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:51 am to tigahfan747
Nixon was extremely smart he was just paranoid and it was his undoing. He wasn’t from the elite class like the Kennedy’s Bush’s etc.
It was amazing he got as far as he did with his background. Nixon is a ok with me. He was right on a lot of things.
It was amazing he got as far as he did with his background. Nixon is a ok with me. He was right on a lot of things.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:52 am to tigahfan747
He created a whole host of nanny-state agencies and laws.
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Amendments to the 1967 Clean Air Act calling for reductions in automobile emissions.
1972 Noise Control Act
1972 Marine Mammal Protection Act
1973 Endangered Species Act
1974 Safe Drinking Water Act
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Amendments to the 1967 Clean Air Act calling for reductions in automobile emissions.
1972 Noise Control Act
1972 Marine Mammal Protection Act
1973 Endangered Species Act
1974 Safe Drinking Water Act
Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:55 am to udtiger
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Opening relations with China
Agree
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getting off the gold standard
He was just recognizing reality. Our national debt was more than our gold reserves.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:59 am to TrueTiger
quote:You are falling into the trap of blaming the president for the actions of Congress. The vast majority of that was legislation which passed with a veto-proof majority.
He created a whole host of nanny-state agencies and laws.
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 10:00 am
Posted on 4/20/24 at 10:02 am to ronricks
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He wasn’t from the elite class like the Kennedy’s Bush’s etc.
I’ve always thought that was the difference. No shot his downfall happens if he has one of those last names.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 10:02 am to TrueTiger
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He created a whole host of nanny-state agencies and laws.
That's because Nixon was economically to the left of Reagan. Reagan studied Milton Friedman's economic theories long before he was elected Prez. Nixon just wanted to be seen as a moderate.
I gave him credit for 2 main things:
a. He got us out of Vietnam (not that difficult).
b. He opened relations with China (difficult in those days).
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 11:11 am
Posted on 4/20/24 at 10:16 am to tigahfan747
Good foreign policy president. Not so good as a domestic policy president. He took us off the gold standard for good, and created things like the EPA.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 10:19 am to Zach
Even with those detractors, I would take him over what we have now.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 10:31 am to TrueTiger
“I don’t know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house,” Nixon said in a taped conversation with aides. “The kids usually kill themselves with it and so forth.” He asked why “can’t we go after handguns, period?”
Nixon went on: “I know the rifle association will be against it, the gun makers will be against it.” But “people should not have handguns.” He laced his comments with obscenities, as was typical.
Nixon went on: “I know the rifle association will be against it, the gun makers will be against it.” But “people should not have handguns.” He laced his comments with obscenities, as was typical.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:21 am to udtiger
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Opening relations with China and getting off the gold standard are BIG negatives
He also started the fruitless war on drugs.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:26 am to udtiger
At the time in history why would that be a problem? Or was your crystal ball working that day when everybody else's wasn't?
China wasn't the threat they've been for the last decade or two.
China wasn't the threat they've been for the last decade or two.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:35 am to bluedragon
quote:De-stigmatizing China was seen as a tool in our Cold War against the USSR, and a solid argument can be made that doing so played a significant role in our victory in that war.
At the time in history why would that be a problem? Or was your crystal ball working that day when everybody else's wasn't?
China wasn't the threat they've been for the last decade or two.
Of course, a solid argument can also be made that China today is just as bad as the USSR in 1972. The tough argument would be to assert that anyone in 1972 would reasonably have been able to anticipate that backwards-assed-1972-China would emerge as the modern threat that it has become.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:37 am to TrueTiger
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Even with those detractors, I would take him over what we have now.
Watergate was child's play compared to the abuses of power after 9/11.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:44 am to Bestbank Tiger
Think about this: if anyone amongst his investigators had suggested a covert armed raid on his private residence, the rest of them probably would’ve fainted. And turned him into the supervisor for his dismissal. That’s how much of a jump they made from rational to most extreme actions possible with Trump.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:46 am to TrueTiger
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He created a whole host of nanny-state agencies and laws.
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Amendments to the 1967 Clean Air Act calling for reductions in automobile emissions.
1972 Noise Control Act
1972 Marine Mammal Protection Act
1973 Endangered Species Act
1974 Safe Drinking Water Act
That's quite a list of regulatory and nanny-state "achievements", ain't it? And of course there's more.
For whatever reasons during Nixon's regime, the US gubmint chose to start jacking up their ridiculous list of anti-freedom over-officiousness and over-reach.
To All (in light of recent events) the question must now be asked:
DO Presidents (even Trump) indeed actually have any major hand in creating and implementing policies and agendas? OR has it been presumptive, mere deception & illusion all long by which to convince We The People their vote matter on the direction the nation turns?
Have Presidents just been Puppets in reality, serving only their shadow overlord Masters agendae? (If so, how far back has this been the case?)
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:52 am to OzonaOkapi
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He created a whole host of nanny-state agencies and laws.
You are falling into the trap of blaming the president for the actions of Congress. The vast majority of that was legislation which passed with a veto-proof majority.
All those agencies rely upon the dissolution of the gold standard. Without fiat currency bureaucratic growth was held in check.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:53 am to davyjones
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Think about this: if anyone amongst his investigators had suggested a covert armed raid on his private residence, the rest of them probably would’ve fainted. And turned him into the supervisor for his dismissal. That’s how much of a jump they made from rational to most extreme actions possible with Trump.
Not just that, but the FISA and NSA abuses, raiding journalists for criticizing the Afghanistan withdrawal, hacking Sheryl Atkisson's computer.
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