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How much does Putin fabricate or lie?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:30 pm
I've been listening to a lot videos about Putin on YouTube that are produced by US journalists...
Of course our elected leaders never lie and Putin is evil and lies about everything...got it
So what the heck are we supposed to believe is real?
In the big picture I don't think world leaders spend enough time actually talking to one another in person and seeking to understand what one another wants..
It's mostly spying and back channel communications where no one trusts anybody about anything..
Of course our elected leaders never lie and Putin is evil and lies about everything...got it
So what the heck are we supposed to believe is real?
In the big picture I don't think world leaders spend enough time actually talking to one another in person and seeking to understand what one another wants..
It's mostly spying and back channel communications where no one trusts anybody about anything..
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 4:34 pm
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:39 pm to ApexTiger
We haven't been presented with proof of Putin lying, yet.
On the other hand we have seen our uni-party government lying fo 30 years in order to have 750 military bases around the world.
On the other hand we have seen our uni-party government lying fo 30 years in order to have 750 military bases around the world.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:41 pm to ApexTiger
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So what the heck are we supposed to believe is real?
Ah, that's the talent we call 'critical thinking.' Listen to different sources and assess the logic of what they are saying.
Since this talent is rare the Dems get away with 'Trump will destroy democracy' because people won't think 'How will that happen and why?'
Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:45 pm to ApexTiger
If he is a leader of a Nation then one can assume he has its considerations first and foremost. Of course this is not always the case as history shows but it is always the starting point for understanding. Then it comes down to time. How much time does one want to put into researching history and current events. There is more information flowing across the globe than ever before. Finding what is truth is the hard part. I can only say to everyone read. And then read more. 
Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:56 pm to ApexTiger
What specifically do you think he lied about? I think that’s the only way to analyze it, to go through each claim.
From my perspective, they’ve been very patient, and they’ve tried to have a good relationship with the west. After 9/11 they went out of their way to help us. We’ve consistently screwed them over though, over the past twenty years. Putin says, and I believe this is true, that they asked the CIA to stop supporting jihadists in the Caucasus' and Langley said no. These jihadist are legitimately evil people, and they’ve murdered a lot of Russians. I don’t think stirring up trouble in the region is a good idea, chaos is not in our interest, and funding jihadists is an intrinsically moronic idea. These are the people who murdered 2,996 of us on 9/11, these are the people who beheaded Daniel Pearl. We are stupid if we think we can control them.
From my perspective, they’ve been very patient, and they’ve tried to have a good relationship with the west. After 9/11 they went out of their way to help us. We’ve consistently screwed them over though, over the past twenty years. Putin says, and I believe this is true, that they asked the CIA to stop supporting jihadists in the Caucasus' and Langley said no. These jihadist are legitimately evil people, and they’ve murdered a lot of Russians. I don’t think stirring up trouble in the region is a good idea, chaos is not in our interest, and funding jihadists is an intrinsically moronic idea. These are the people who murdered 2,996 of us on 9/11, these are the people who beheaded Daniel Pearl. We are stupid if we think we can control them.
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:03 pm to ApexTiger
We don't know. MSM only tells us that Putin is a one dimensional villain. Our msm and government are the bastions of absolute truth..and everyone else is a liar.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:23 pm to ApexTiger
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I've been listening to a lot videos about Putin on YouTube that are produced by US journalists...
Of course our elected leaders never lie and Putin is evil and lies about everything...got it
So what the heck are we supposed to believe is real?
Scripture tells me that:
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The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Jeremiah 17:9
So, quite honestly, I don’t believe any of them, and for those who would endorse telling their own children lies about their own sexuality and sex, I especially do not trust on anything that comes out of their mouths..
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:24 pm to Lima Whiskey
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What specifically do you think he lied about? I think that’s the only way to analyze it, to go through each claim.
I don't think he lied per se about anything specific...
Our media says Putin said nothing new...with Tucker
Hillary says Tucker is Putins useful idiot.
I'm just saying...American voices and experts on Putin say he is master at manipulation of the facts...
I tend to believe there is some truth to that... but so do head coaches to protect their interests.
I just want the USA to get out..
Been listening to a lot of Col. DOUGLAS MACGREGOR...
love what he says
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:28 pm to ApexTiger
I don’t think he’s lied, but more than he has his own interest and view. Evil doesn’t have to lie, just say what we want to hear….
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:29 pm to ApexTiger
Let’s assume Putin was lying to Tucker, call him out on it, and expose him.
Putin said he wanted to pursue peace in the Ukraine conflict. Our government should jump on this and push 110% to broker peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine.
If we do that and Putin refuses to participate, we have shown the world he’s a liar. If we don’t….
Putin said he wanted to pursue peace in the Ukraine conflict. Our government should jump on this and push 110% to broker peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine.
If we do that and Putin refuses to participate, we have shown the world he’s a liar. If we don’t….
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:30 pm to ApexTiger
I watched the whole interview. I think he told a lot of the truth and I think some of the truth included russias side of the truth. Every story he told he was the good reasonable guy. Real life probably not the case but he didn’t straight up lie either. Probably somewhere in the middle.
Our leader consistently lie to us. They will hold a conference and tell us the sky is orange if they can sell anoth billion stimulus package
Our leader consistently lie to us. They will hold a conference and tell us the sky is orange if they can sell anoth billion stimulus package
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:30 pm to ApexTiger
He lies a lot. Especially about killing/jailing political opponents and/or journalists
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:43 pm to ApexTiger
NATO did promise not to expand to the East and we've seen how that turned out. Russia is acting like the USA would if China was going to build a military base in Mexico.
The left hates Russia because they are communists and they see Russia as apostates, so it is a real, deep hatred.
Russia is a middling power at best. Poland, Japan, South Korea, Australia, France, Italy, UK, and maybe even Spain would beat Russia "1v1" if no nukes were involved.
They are good at building rockets, helicopters and have some decent aero engines. Currently they are sharing that technology with China and it would suit US policy better if Russia was friendly with the West, which they clearly have wanted to be the last 30 years, and they could get them to stop giving China military technology.
The left hates Russia because they are communists and they see Russia as apostates, so it is a real, deep hatred.
Russia is a middling power at best. Poland, Japan, South Korea, Australia, France, Italy, UK, and maybe even Spain would beat Russia "1v1" if no nukes were involved.
They are good at building rockets, helicopters and have some decent aero engines. Currently they are sharing that technology with China and it would suit US policy better if Russia was friendly with the West, which they clearly have wanted to be the last 30 years, and they could get them to stop giving China military technology.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:44 pm to ApexTiger
Note the World relations scenario when Trump was at the Helm. They all respected Trump, adversary or not because he didn’t lie or have political grift tentacles that restricted his potential actions. Biden is bought and paid for and 80% of Congress is vulnerable to blackmail and manipulation. Given the massive immigration/infiltration of terrorists and military ops, this ship has sailed. The streets are getting more violent by the day; and that is while the ‘money press’ is giving them all a Government free ride subsidy top to bottom. What happens when the money well runs dry.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:48 pm to ApexTiger
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How much does Putin fabricate or lie?
Russian Red Commie, so I go with 100% when it benefits himself or the Party.
As for the part about further aggression, while I have not seen the interview yet, folks who have said he is going all the way if the rest of the world lets him and anything else out of his mouth to the contrary is a lie.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
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What specifically do you think he lied about? I think that’s the only way to analyze it, to go through each claim.
I havnet had time to watch it but I started and just tuned out when he started that historical diatribe to Tucker about why Ukraine is part or should be part of Russia. He conveniently left out the part of the Stalin years and the forced collectivism that caused mass starvation and millions of Ukrainian deaths, the forced deportation of Ukrainian nationals, intelligentsia, and middle class, and the repression of those years. That is not even starting on what happened to them under the Tsars
Say what you want about the war and our support of it but there is a good reason why the Ukrainians don't want to be under the heel of Moscow and Putin.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:21 pm to ApexTiger
Putin is great, but I live on an upper floor and don’t want to get pushed out a window
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:32 pm to 14&Counting
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havnet had time to watch it but I started and just tuned out when he started that historical diatribe to Tucker about why Ukraine is part or should be part of Russia. He conveniently left out the part of the Stalin years and the forced collectivism that caused mass starvation and millions of Ukrainian deaths, the forced deportation of Ukrainian nationals, intelligentsia, and middle class, and the repression of those years. That is not even starting on what happened to them under the Tsars
Say what you want about the war and our support of it but there is a good reason why the Ukrainians don't want to be under the heel of Moscow and Putin.
They were not Ukrainian during Stalin...because Ukraine was part of the USSR, right?
Putin did mention the era..
He said most in Ukraine today have Russian ties, speak Russian...and there are many Hungarians...and apparently there are many Nazi apologist in Ukraine
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:39 pm to ApexTiger
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How much does Putin fabricate or lie?
At least as much as Joe Biden.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:46 pm to ApexTiger
quote:As much as he needs to. Just as does any national leader.
How much does Putin fabricate or lie?
He needs to fabricate less than he normally would because at present all he need do is counter US/NATO/UK/Ukrainian BS with actual facts.
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