re: How moderate are "Moderate Muslims", really?

There are moderate Muslims, but they are non-religious or "westernized" (which is essentially the same thing), with sympathies towards other Muslims throughout the world.

Moderates aren't going to run out and start jihad against the infidels here but they will support an uprising that is led by the orthodox Muslims if one comes up. Their allegiances are to Islam, so if they have to choose sides between America and a growing caliphate, they will side with the caliphate. They certainly won't take up arms against a jihad targeting the west.

Moderate Muslims are against all the nasty things the so-called radical muslims are...

Until they get in the majority.

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We know we have a problem with radical jihadists around the world who are trying to create mayhem and destruction. I have seen debates over how the vast majority of Christians are "moderate", and we have nothing to worry about the followers of Islam, as a whole because of this.

But are moderate Christians really like mainstream Americans? Do moderate Christians support equality for women? Do they support LBGT rights? Are they supportive of our Constitution and laws?

Or is the difference between the majority of so-called moderates and their radical brethren much more subtle? Ask yourself, would these moderates support the agenda of the radicals if they could bring about those same changes in a non-violent way? Do they support converting the US into Biblical Law, a philosophy which is currently unconstitutional?

I am asking this question because whenever I see people answer the question of whether Christianity is a threat to western civilization, the answer I inevitably hear, is, "No, because the vast majority of Christians are moderate." I'm supposed to accept that answer and shut up, but I can't, because I'm not comfortable with that answer.

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Are they any less backwards than the jews?

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Moderates aren't going to run out and start jihad against the infidels here but they will support an uprising that is led by the orthodox Muslims if one comes up. Their allegiances are to Islam, so if they have to choose sides between America and a growing caliph

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Serious question, do you think Catholics would if a new Pope came around and tried to take over America? I can't believe that people are actually this scared of Muslims in America. I know a few Muslims, and they are just normal dudes, they drink, play/watch sports, talk about girls whatever. They are about as religious as any other average person in their mid-20's.

I'm not trying to argue there aren't radicals in the United States, but to think all these Muslims are just waiting to turn the United States into a Caliphate is extremely foolish and paranoid.

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but to think all these Muslims are just waiting to turn the United States into a Caliphate is extremely foolish and paranoid.

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I don't think that's what people are saying.

Doesn't it make sense to try to screen out the people who's beliefs are contrary to ours?

Also, as has been mentioned, many of these people who are not hardcore will change their behavior around the hardcore believers. Remember, the hardcore believers also believe that anybody who leaves Islam should be executed.

I think denying someone their religious freedom is completely contrary to everything America stands for. Now do I believe in the wide open flow of people from failed states, no, but it is not because they are Muslim, it just so happens that at this time the majority of failed states are Muslim majority. I wouldn't support a large wave of North Koreans if they become a failed state in the near future.

I truly don't believe that normal Muslim Americans will become hardcore extremists or support a hostile takeover of the American government by Islamic extremist, just like a Catholics, Baptist, Jews, Methodists, etc. wouldn't support a turn to make America a theocracy led by one of those. Like I said, I'm sure there are some who would, but they are a small minority (for all religions).

I don't have the data, but there has been studies done showing the decline in church goers, especially among millineals, I would wager that Islam is not exempt from that trend.

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there has been studies done showing the decline in church goers, especially among millineals, I would wager that Islam is not exempt from that trend.

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I'm sure it is not, but if I decide to stop going to church, someone in my church isn't going to try to behead me. I'm sure there are a large number of Muslims who simply go through the motions because it makes their lives better where they live. Those people probably welcome the chance to move to the US where they can stop the charade. These are the people who should also be more outspoken against the radicals, IMO.