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How far back in history do we have to go?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:40 am
Ok so there was slavery in the US. 150+ years ago. We have to remove all monuments and symbols of anyone associated with slavery. What else are we missing?
Should we go to Africa and frick up the descendants of those who rounded up neighboring tribes and sold them to other people? Not like they have monuments, but the descendants of the enslavers must have some sort of "privelege" right?
The Egyptians enslaved the Jews. Let's raze Egypt's pyramids. The Romans were pretty shitty to their slaves. Why do we allow the Coliseum to stand? The Mayans and Aztecs were pretty fricked up. Let's take out Tulum and MachuPichu. While we're at it, let's knock out any remnants of Babylonia and Persia that ISIS hasn't had time to blast yet.
How far should we go?
Should we go to Africa and frick up the descendants of those who rounded up neighboring tribes and sold them to other people? Not like they have monuments, but the descendants of the enslavers must have some sort of "privelege" right?
The Egyptians enslaved the Jews. Let's raze Egypt's pyramids. The Romans were pretty shitty to their slaves. Why do we allow the Coliseum to stand? The Mayans and Aztecs were pretty fricked up. Let's take out Tulum and MachuPichu. While we're at it, let's knock out any remnants of Babylonia and Persia that ISIS hasn't had time to blast yet.
How far should we go?
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:57 am to SoulGlo
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Should we go to Africa and frick up the descendants of those who rounded up neighboring tribes and sold them to other people? Not like they have monuments, but the descendants of the enslavers must have some sort of "privelege" right?
The Egyptians enslaved the Jews. Let's raze Egypt's pyramids. The Romans were pretty shitty to their slaves. Why do we allow the Coliseum to stand? The Mayans and Aztecs were pretty fricked up. Let's take out Tulum and MachuPichu. While we're at it, let's knock out any remnants of Babylonia and Persia that ISIS hasn't had time to blast yet.
Those aren't American let them do with it as they will.
But you're missing the broader point. It isn't that the confederacy was associated with slavery that people are upset with glorifying it. It that's it stood for slavery and was used as a symbol of oppression. I'm sorry for those of you on here who look at it without that view but for pretty much every black person in the country and most non-whites outside of the deep south the confederacy = slavery
That's why glorifying it is seen as wrong to so many
The thing with MLK while his personal views were against gay people, that's not the movement he championed or what he symbolizes. It's fighting for racial equality; that's why he's honored
Same with the founding fathers; while they had slaves it's not what they are symbols for. So their monuments should be preserved
But in the end, if you know something you have is really hurtful to someone and it doesn't really affect you personally, you're kind of a dick for fighting to keep it up. Have some empathy for your fellow man.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:01 am to SoulGlo
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How far back in history do we have to go?
When did whitey take over? That's when
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:34 am to ctalati32
Race is not the center of most people's universe. The talking heads have made the whole monument debate about race when that wasn't the motivation of the average person of that era. Let me ask you this, was it slavery that motivated the average Yankee soldier to risk his life and fight?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:35 am to SoulGlo
Weren't cavemen white?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:39 am to Bunyan
The Great White Irony here is that slavery is not practiced in ANY white majority countries on this planet, but plenty of brown and black majority countries still practice it.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:40 am to Bunyan
reparation won't make them happy. they will be happy only when whitey is a slave 
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:44 am to SoulGlo
Everyone has ancestors who were enslaved at one point, if you go back in history far enough.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:49 am to Topcat
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Race is not the center of most people's universe.
It is for a lot of non-white people. I'm brown. I live in the deep south. I pay attention to where I go and where I don't because I'm worried about being a non-white person here. I have gotten harassed before due to my skin color. It's real and exists in this country.
The ability to not think about race is a key component of white privilege.
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. The talking heads have made the whole monument debate about race when that wasn't the motivation of the average person of that era.
The south seceded because they thought Lincoln was an anti-abolitionist and would impede on their state's right to self govern. They even did it before he took office and didn't wait for him to do something against them.
But even if that were true, that's not what the confederacy represents to the majority of america today, and especially to black people today. The confederacy represents the promotion of slavery and the subjugation of african americans, to pretty much everyone outside of whites in the deep south.
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Let me ask you this, was it slavery that motivated the average Yankee soldier to risk his life and fight?
Doubtful, it was likely that the confederacy were traitors. Which boggles my mind even more that they are lionized in the south. Especially now when the biggest chant against the left is "you lost get over it" but still want to glorify the confederacy.
When you continue to glorify those who have lost, typically it's because you still support their ideals. This is why many whites in the south are unfortunately branded as bigots. Since they still want to glorify those who have been branded as bigots by history.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:49 am to SoulGlo
Well, Jesus is white and they would crucify him again if they had the chance.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:53 am to ctalati32
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It that's it stood for slavery and was used as a symbol of oppression. I'm sorry for those of you on here who look at it without that view but for pretty much every black person in the country and most non-whites outside of the deep south the confederacy = slavery
Miseducatiin, then. Yeah slavery was a lynch pin but the 10th Amendment and other contractual commitments between the states and federal government are he real issue. The South fought for the rule of law(yes there were some fricked up laws by today's standards) and the sovereignty of states. The North fought for the Union.
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Same with the founding fathers; while they had slaves it's not what they are symbols for. So their monuments should be preserved
You know damn well how progressives work.
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But in the end, if you know something you have is really hurtful to someone and it doesn't really affect you personally, you're kind of a dick for fighting to keep it up. Have some empathy for your fellow man.
Who's fault is it that they feel that way? Not mine. It is the fault of those who push the agenda of the race industry. Maybe they should stop exploiting their fellow man and have some empathy for not only everybody else, but also for the people they frick over in the name of "help" and "advocacy" and "activism." You can start with them.
Why are history and the symbols thereof the problem instead of those who bastardize those symbols for self gain? I.e. Al Sharpton and the KKK
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:55 am to SoulGlo
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How far back in history do we have to go?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:55 am to ctalati32
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But even if that were true, that's not what the confederacy represents to the majority of america today, and especially to black people today. The confederacy represents the promotion of slavery and the subjugation of african americans,
Again, is this the fault of the monuments, or the fault of a pathetically ignorant population?
We can discuss the cause of ignorance too if you like.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:00 pm to ctalati32
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if you know something you have is really hurtful to someone and it doesn't really affect you personally, you're kind of a dick for fighting to keep it up
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The thing with MLK while his personal views were against gay people,
So since MLK was against the Gays, and it might upset some of them that he has antiquated views, and since MLK doesn't affect you personally....
TEAR IT DOWN. TEAR IT DOWN. TEAR IT DOWN.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:02 pm to SoulGlo
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We have to remove all monuments and symbols of anyone associated with slavery.
No, just the ones that rebelled against the US and fought to maintain it.
It's really not a hard concept to grasp.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:02 pm to SoulGlo
Back to Adam and Steve
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:03 pm to The Spleen
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No, just the ones that rebelled against the US and fought to maintain it.
I trust your side completely.
Al is just spouting off. The reverends are not starting a grass roots effort. It ends with statues of confederate military men.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:08 pm to ctalati32
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I'm brown. I live in the deep south. I pay attention to where I go and where I don't because I'm worried about being a non-white person here. I
LOL you must be the only person I've ever heard of who is like " don't go to the white part of town, it could be dangerous" for fricking real.
Meanwhile every major city in America has areas where even white cops won't go. And have had for nigh on 70 years now.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:08 pm to ctalati32
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But you're missing the broader point. It isn't that the confederacy was associated with slavery that people are upset with glorifying it. It that's it stood for slavery and was used as a symbol of oppression.
You are missing the broader point. It's not stopping at the civil war. These things do not stop
Who did andrew Jackson fight for in the civil war?
Did you even know the first guy to call LSU the fighting tigers supposedly referenced a civil war regiment? I didn't, but apparently some out of towners googled that story and demanded we change our mascot
What about the founding fathers? They permitted slavery, how can we be governed by a constitution that was written by racists. We need to rewrite it, leaving off the first and second amendments... watch. That is the end game here for a few at the top pulling the strings.
Those first two are the biggest pain in the arse for a government trying to overstep its authority (force socialism/globalism), hence why they were written.
ETA: for the record I can understand the resentment an African American could feel towards a civil war statue. And I have no particular attachment to them outside of respect for the dead on both sides.
I'm upset about the ones not affected using this as political capital with bigger plans in mind. Every single thing about this country can be construed as a reminder of slavery because this was a slave trading nation at one point. If it's what you choose to see it's all you'll see
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:33 pm to beerJeep
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So since MLK was against the Gays, and it might upset some of them that he has antiquated views, and since MLK doesn't affect you personally....
TEAR IT DOWN. TEAR IT DOWN. TEAR IT DOWN.
You're taking a page out of MButterfly's book to intentionally mis-quote someone to misconstrue an argument? You're better than this
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