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re: How can Sessions at this late date be so backwards on the Drug War?

Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:27 pm to
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he believes in enforcing the laws on the books.


Can we stop with this asinine excuse?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58549 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:28 pm to
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Well, if you must know - he appears to have a sincere drive to enforce the law. This is a Republic. If there is no democratic (little "d") will to change stupid laws, then they must be enforced. We're a nation of laws.


Does he enforce every law with equal zeal?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:30 pm to
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Well, if you must know - he appears to have a sincere drive to enforce the law.

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I've been outspoken on the prima facie absurdity of a society in which alcohol and tobacco are legal (for adults), while weed is not only "illegal" - it's Schedule 1.

he can reschedule it at any time

also last week he was begging Congress to change the law so he can go after medical MJ

this "he's just enforcing the law" narrative is pure bullshite
Posted by Collegedropout
Where Northern Mexico meets Dixie
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:39 pm to
Absolutely. Sessions is the worst part of Trump's presidency, and it's not even close.
Posted by Machine
Earth
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:41 pm to
he's a fundamentalist conservative christian from alabama

final answer
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:43 pm to
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quote: That is such a deliberate miss use of a famous Reagan quote as to be offensive. No, it's exactly on target. quote: Double dog dare you to find a prodrug Reagan statement. Irrelevant. Either government is a solution or it isn't. We've now suffered through almost 50 years of government tampering in the drug market - with disastrous results.

Reagan was an anti drug warrior.
Ronald Reagan
Radio Address to the Nation on Federal Drug Policy
October 2, 1982
Now, regarding the other report I mentioned. In the next few days we'll announce the administration's new strategy for the prevention of drug abuse and drug trafficking. This is a bold, confident plan, and I'm elated. For too long the people in Washington took the attitude that the drug problem was so large nothing could be done about it. Well, we don't accept this sit-on-your-hands kind of thinking. We've decided to do more than pay lip service to the problem, and we started where narcotics crime was the worst: south Florida.

This garden spot had turned into a battlefield for competing drugpushers who were terrorizing Florida's citizens. I established a task force under Vice President Bush's leadership to help the citizens of south Florida fight back. As part of a coordinated plan, we beefed up the number of judges, prosecutors, and law enforcement people. We used military radar and intelligence to detect drug traffickers, which, until we changed the law, could not be done. We increased efforts overseas to cut drugs off before they left other countries' borders.

Well, the results of our task force have been dramatic. The Vice President tells me drug-related arrests are up over 40 percent, the amount of marijuana seized is up about 80 percent, and the amount of cocaine seized has more than doubled. The important thing is we're hurting the traffickers. It's true that when we close off one place they can move somewhere else. But one thing is different now: We're going to be waiting for them. To paraphrase Joe Louis, they can run but they can't hide.

Claiming Reagan's true opposition to drugs is irrelevant while trying to claim him in your prodrug abuse diatribe is dishonest and you should be full of shame!

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quote: Let's make a few substitutions that maintain the spirit of your sentence. The War on (murder) is a (millennial)-old (all governmental) effort that has failed as consistently and completely as any government initiative in (human) history. I guess therefore opposing murder is backwards?! Your 5th grade "logic" is boring. Try to up your game.


You're argument that the war on drugs is useless since drug use still exist is illogical sophistry of the lowest sort! A fifth grader could do better.

So Nancy Reagan would advocate saying no to drugs.
And Ronald Reagan would advocate locking up all drug sellers.

I don't care how many reality altering substances you use and or sell, Reagan was not your ally!
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:45 pm to
Because its hard to get a handle on the drug situation, the druggies are dying at such a rate. More overdose deaths in the past year than soldiers who died in Viet Nam.

Where is the picketing and outrage.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58549 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:46 pm to
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Because its hard to get a handle on the drug situation, the druggies are dying at such a rate. More overdose deaths in the past year than soldiers who died in Viet Nam.

Where is the picketing and outrage.


Lock them up for their own good! Rabble, rabble!
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41065 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:47 pm to
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2. The War on Drugs is a disaster, and a big part of the policing problem America is experiencing. Since the early 70's cops have been taught that they are at war in their own communities. What do people do when they're at war? They kill the enemy.


Don't forget the War on Terror too!
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5844 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:48 pm to
we shouldn't talk about Reagan and his blind eye to the massive cocaine shipments that the CIA had a part of throughout his 8 years of president. maybe we should talk about him selling ARMS illegally. But no for some reason if you talk tough and act tough Republicans make a god out of you...rant over
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:48 pm to
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Sessions wouldn't give two shits about pot if it was legal.


Oh that's a good one.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:54 pm to
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he can reschedule it at any time


It's a little more complicated than that.

quote:

also last week he was begging Congress to change the law so he can go after medical MJ


Yeah, I said earlier in the thread that I disagree with this approach. While it is a spending measure, that's the law, just like CDA is a law. And it's been unsuccessfully challenged as someone else correctly pointed out (9th Circus, but still).

quote:

this "he's just enforcing the law" narrative is pure bullshite


Well, it is and it isn't. I mean, he does not care for the dope at all. He's got a little zeal to it. But, he's just one guy. There is a reason we don't let the AG make rules and he shouldn't try to.

Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18644 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:55 pm to
Drug law is so fricked up.

You have two sides:

Statewide ballot initiatives, 10th Amendment/States Rights, U.S. Constitution/Commerce Clause all say that marijuana is legal at the intrastate level if the states vote that way because the federal government has no power there.

FDR-era stacked liberal/activist Supreme Court rulings like Wickard v. Filburn, Congress/Executive branches of federal big government say that marijuana can be regulated at the federal level in any way they want.

When it comes to the constitution vs. the federal government, I know which side I agree with.

This isn't a black and white "rule of law" issue -- it's about two sides of the legal system butting heads, and people cherrypicking the law to support their views. Sessions isn't doing this out of respect for the law, he's doing it because either he really believes in it, or he has outside incentives driving him to do it.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:59 pm to
Opiates alone show why the Drug War has been a complete and utter failure in almost every respect: 10,000 Ohioans expected to die from opiate overdose this year.

And here's Penn and Teller telling you how much they fricked up with heroin: Heroin is now more than 600 times cheaper than it was before the War on Drugs
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:13 pm to
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Opiates alone show why the Drug War has been a complete and utter failure in almost every respect: 10,000 Ohioans expected to die from opiate overdose this year.


The doctors - "men of science" all have done a great disservice by selling themselves to the pharmaceutical companies. Only recently have I seen that tide turning.

Some days I think it should be all made legal and let Darwin do his terrible work. But, then, I do think about the kids. It's complicated.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:15 pm to
I think antibiotics should be controlled like scheduled drugs are now but everything else legal.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13494 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:16 pm to
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we shouldn't talk about Reagan and his blind eye to the massive cocaine shipments that the CIA had a part of throughout his 8 years of president. maybe we should talk about him selling ARMS illegally. But no for some reason if you talk tough and act tough Republicans make a god out of you...rant over


Well here is someone who realizes Reagan was not an ally of the drug culture!

Now for some factual history.
It has been alleged by a number of sources and over many years that the CIA has been actively and/or tacitly participating in illegal drugs from the Kennedy Administration to the Obama Administration. This includes every year from 1961-2014. There has been a lot of smoke and I THINK some fire. But no president has been tied to any of it including Reagan.

Reagan's administration sold many arms to many nations and none (zero) were illegal.
Not even Obama's arming of the Mexican drug cartels was "illegal".

Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:19 pm to
No he's just an old conservative relic that literally thinks 1950 was better than 2017.

Can't wait until 2018
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:22 pm to
So he's a spineless and mineless Robot. Telling.

He'd enforce slavery if it were still the law of the land.

Sounds like a beta that can't and won't take a stand for morality.

Small small man
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