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re: How can people that believe in more than two genders be taken seriously?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:49 pm to Dale51
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:49 pm to Dale51
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Give or take a year, when did this idea of ones gender split from ones biological sex? Just curious.
Depends on what, exactly, you mean by the question.
As far as we can tell, there have always been individuals who have defied the societal norms generally attributed to their sex. However, if you're asking when academic disciplines really started studying that distinction and referred to it as "gender", I believe that would be the late 1960's.
Pourquoi?
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:52 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Problem arises when some see "harmony" as something more (and maybe for others, less) than just live and let live.
Certainly.
Does going around accusing people of mental illness fall under "live and let live"? I know when I was an undergrad at LSU, I certainly didn't view the gentlemen screaming about fornication and homosexuality in Free Speech Ally to be the "live and let live" type.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:00 pm to Joshjrn
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However, if you're asking when academic disciplines really started studying that distinction and referred to it as "gender", I believe that would be the late 1960's.
No, that wsn't the question. I assumed that the mental illnesses of trying to destroy the traditional values of the country started in the 60's on many topics. The question was when did it become accepted as having any validity?
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:03 pm to Dale51
Are you genuinely asking a question or are you doing your best Socrates impression? If it's the latter, it's pretty annoying so just come out with it. If it's the former, Google is your friend.
PS: The above is a good indication that you aren't capable of having an honest dialogue on the subject.
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I assumed that the mental illnesses of trying to destroy the traditional values of the country started in the 60's on many topics.
PS: The above is a good indication that you aren't capable of having an honest dialogue on the subject.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:04 pm to Joshjrn
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Does going around accusing people of mental illness fall under "live and let live"?
Does going around saying you must accept this bullshite as we teach it to your children sound like "Live and let live"?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:07 pm to Dale51
So how is gender being essentially a bimodally distributed continuum bullshite?
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:13 pm to Dale51
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No, that wsn't the question. I assumed that the mental illnesses of trying to destroy the traditional values of the country started in the 60's on many topics. The question was when did it become accepted as have any validity?
*sigh*
When did what, exactly, become accepted as having any validity?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:22 pm to rbWarEagle
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PS: The above is a good indication that you aren't capable of having an honest dialogue on the subject.
How so? If you can't answer the question have the intellectual courage to admit it.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:23 pm to rbWarEagle
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So how is gender being essentially a bimodally distributed continuum bullshite?
What are you trying to say?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:25 pm to Joshjrn
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When did what, exactly, become accepted as having any validity?
Try to keep up.
When did the idea that one could "choose" their gender become accepted as a valid concept to be dispersed through culture, education, law and everyday life?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:31 pm to Dale51
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Try to keep up.
When did the idea that one could "choose" their gender become accepted as a valid concept to be dispersed through culture, education, law and everyday life?
I'm trying my bestest; you're simply not very clear and concise in your writing.
Speaking of, it depends on what you mean by that. Are you employing "choose" in the purest sense that people give it conscious thought and then select from alternatives, or do you mean choose simply as a demarcation from the "normal" set of characteristics attributed to a given sex?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:33 pm to Dale51
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What are you trying to say?
He's not trying to say anything. He said that the attributes displayed by individuals in a population fall along a continuum but cluster around the poles. To make the concept easier, think about height distribution, except instead of people clustering around the middle, most people were either extremely tall or extremely short. He's asking why you think that description isn't representative the status quo for gender expression.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:36 pm to Joshjrn
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Are you employing "choose" in the purest sense that people give it conscious thought and then select from alternatives, or do you mean choose simply as a demarcation from the "normal" set of characteristics attributed to a given sex
"Depends on what the meaning of 'is' is", kinda feigned confusion?? The former would be the closest. When did it not become laughable--in the majority public-- that such a question would even be asked beyond the scope of a comedy skit?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:37 pm to Joshjrn
quote:That explains a lot.
He's not trying to say anything.
Thanks!
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Except for the fact that Jesus is recognized by historians through the world.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:46 pm to Dale51
The claim is essentially that gender fits pretty well to sex (bimodal distribution) but the borders are even more fuzzy than sex (intersex) and it all falls on a continuum. How is that bullshite?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:47 pm to Brazos
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Except for the fact that Jesus is recognized by historians through the world.
A version of Jesus...
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:47 pm to Joshjrn
Thanks for clarifying but I think we’re both wasting our time here.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:16 pm to rbWarEagle
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The claim is essentially that gender fits pretty well to sex (bimodal distribution) but the borders are even more fuzzy than sex (intersex) and it all falls on a continuum. How is that bullshite
It's bullshite because a lot of mental illness and mental aberrations fall into a "continuum". The attempt to normalize these aberrations beyond the general publics understanding that they exist, and teach that they are normal is bullshite imo
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:24 pm to Dale51
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It's bullshite because a lot of mental illness and mental aberrations fall into a "continuum". The attempt to normalize these aberrations beyond the general publics understanding that they exist, and teach that they are normal is bullshite imo
Non-sequitur, for one. Showing compassion for conflicted people or explaining a difference phenomena is not the same as calling something “normal” with respect to the distribution.
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