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Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:33 am to volod
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She has many privileges and resources available to her that the average US women does not have.
Best to focus on work ethic over privileges or lack there of.
Hard work and persistence always results in a better outcome than being a lazy quitter.
I think Ivanka would be an excellent role model for everyone. To think otherwise is based upon envy, jealousy, and negativity.
Promoting excuses and reasons to fail just promotes failure. Let's promote higher expectations. Everyone has challenges and personal problems, even Ivanka. You see her privileges but ignore her problems. Class jealousy is a personal failure and harmful for society.
Promoting that everyone becomes the best they can be guarantees an unequal society since people have unequal talents. Won't see me in the NBA!
The ONLY way to get equality of outcome is to REDUCE everyone to the lowest common denominator. That would be the ultimate in unfairness!
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:35 am to bamarep
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The fact that she's a billionaires daughter and married to another billionaire yet she STILL works her arse off is the epitome of what a working woman should be. No?
If we are making a comparison as far as rich people are concerned, I can see your point. She is not blowing away money like Paris Hilton or doing some other ridiculous activity that is prevalent amoung other rich elites.
However, yet again, I am not targeting her work ethic or morality. Your average working woman faces issues in this country which she is at best oblivious to.
Being oblivious does not denote hate or contempt. However, I does give an the impression that the GOP are not really concerned about the plight of the average woman and are only doing lip-service to the concept.
The Democrats have done the same thing, only with different tactics.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:36 am to volod
The appealing thing about her is in regard to how well she conducts herself. She's a self proclaimed liberal, however has really good manners, a really good work ethic, married another highly successful man (something a lot of successful women avoid doing intentionally), has a family, gets along with Republicans, and has a slight influence in politics without being overly vocal about it. Most of the things the left hates about her father she is the opposite of.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:40 am to volod
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This was about how propaganda can be used to create an image about something/someone in order to distract the public from an actual issue.
I must have been distracted by the propaganda. More likely the pic!
What is your actual issue?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:43 am to Gaspergou202
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Best to focus on work ethic over privileges or lack there of. Hard work and persistence always results in a better outcome than being a lazy quitter. I think Ivanka would be an excellent role model for everyone. To think otherwise is based upon envy, jealousy, and negativity.
I agree that work ethic and perserverance should be a primary motivator.
I just dont agree with denoting someone as a role model without putting things into proper context.
Basically, everyone has a role model that is best suited to them. For me, the best role model is someone who overcame poor living conditions or dealt with some form institutionalized discrimination/bias.
However, if I grew up in an upper class family, I may seek a different type of role. Perhaps Ivanka would fit that bill depending upon my personal interests.
So to summarize, I just do not see Ivanka as a "working class woman role model". I do not see her as the woman that young girls and teenagers from lower, lower-middle class would look up to as inspiration. HOWEVER that is my opinion.
And its not just Ivanka, I would say that for most of the wealthy women who were born wealthy.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:45 am to volod
I try to think of other things, but I can only imagine her working on my johnson.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:45 am to Gaspergou202
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What is your actual issue?
No issue really. I am just trying to understand why some of you admire her so much, yet revile some other wealthy women. I hope it is not just because they are liberal
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:48 am to volod
Some people have a "motor" and some don't.
The financial backing doesn't matter. You either DO or you DON'T.
The financial backing doesn't matter. You either DO or you DON'T.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:50 am to DonChowder
Ivanka is the Trump that should have gotten into politics.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:52 am to volod
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I am not belittling Ivanka nor her accomplishments
what accomplishments? I mean, she was born rich with a branded last name.
It isn't like she is a horatio alger story.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:54 am to Hawkeye95
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what accomplishments? I mean, she was born rich with a branded last name.
It isn't like she is a horatio alger story.
I bet there are more rich kids who did nothing with their lives than there are rich kids who have accomplished the things Ivanka has.
Did she have a leg up? You bet, but she did what truly successful people do, and took advantage of what was available to her. No need to idolize her, but no n eed to downplay her life either.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:56 am to volod
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No issue really. I am just trying to understand why some of you admire her so much, yet revile some other wealthy women. I hope it is not just because they are liberal
1. Ivanka is a self proclaimed liberal.
2. It's how she conducts herself as a lady in the process of being a hard working woman.
Kamala Harris is a gorgeous woman, but is rude and brash in what I believe to be her pandering to her constituents. Look at Condelleza Rice or Mia Love, 2 black woman who are really hard workers, yet still behave like ladies, whereas someone like Carly Fiorina, while highly sucessful, is a little too assertive in her personality to fit the bill of a working "lady".
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:58 am to volod
quote:ok, seems kinda what she should be focused on given that
We have a "Book Board" now, so I will not go into detail about Women Who Work on here. However, the general impression I receive is that her message is targeted primarily to upper-class women and does not really focus on more immediate issues women face.
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The fact of the matter is that Ivanka is a billionaire's daughter. She has many privileges and resources available to her that the average US women does not have.
I would rather she speak to things she is familiar with than to fake it. We will leave that to Chelsea Clinton and Michelle Obama, they really know what it is like to live the struggle.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:59 am to volod
It's amazing how you can't use the world privileged.
She was born more priveged than most Americans. It does not take away from her work, but yes, perhaps her road to success was less tenuous. She was able to focus in on her craft, as opposed to focusing on her craft and having to deal with other life factors.
There is no shame or problem in admitting that
She was born more priveged than most Americans. It does not take away from her work, but yes, perhaps her road to success was less tenuous. She was able to focus in on her craft, as opposed to focusing on her craft and having to deal with other life factors.
There is no shame or problem in admitting that
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:59 am to volod
Muh privilege, look at all the privileges afforded to Obamacare through AA.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:00 am to Strannix
More whites are on Obamacare.
And?
And?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:02 am to idlewatcher
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Not sure how those are for the silver-spoon class brah.
Those aren't things the average middle class mother of 3 can focus on.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:02 am to DonChowder
I think it's admirable for as a woman to reach out to other women to try and infuse some positivity.
The values and ideas she states in her book should be championed by women regardless of social class.
Those who read it with rose colored glasses are very likely to push aside the message, and rather painstakingly pick apart the text and pontificate ad nauseam on how she can't possibly relate due to her social standing and "privilege". It's a disservice to her as a woman to do so, and quite disrespectful and spiteful to caste personal judgment that would remotely speculate on the intent or sincerity of her words.
The values and ideas she states in her book should be championed by women regardless of social class.
Those who read it with rose colored glasses are very likely to push aside the message, and rather painstakingly pick apart the text and pontificate ad nauseam on how she can't possibly relate due to her social standing and "privilege". It's a disservice to her as a woman to do so, and quite disrespectful and spiteful to caste personal judgment that would remotely speculate on the intent or sincerity of her words.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:03 am to tigerfoot
Michelle is actually from a working class family is relatively new money.
Ivanka isn't. Her money isn't even hers
Ivanka isn't. Her money isn't even hers
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