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Hat's off to Putin - he knows what he is doing
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:28 am
First off, I don't agree with Putin or have hero worship of him or what ever the folks with the tingly feeling up their leg with Barry want to accuse people of.
That said, I gotta take my hat off to the man. He is working in his and and his country's interest and DGAF about what the "world" thinks because he knows they may bitch but without true leadership the "world" is just going to watch him treat them like his bitch.
He knows 'ol Barry doesn't have the stones to stand up to him, China DGAF, and the rest of the world combined does't have the ability without the US to do anything. So Putin will do what he wants how he wants.
The truly brilliant part is, we can't get out of Afghanistan unless we keep Putin happy. All "roads" out of Afghanistan lead through Russia. So while ol' Barry might want to threaten this that or the other between Barry not having the stones to do anything, and our strategic need to continue to use our Khazikstan bases to get out of Afghanistan Putin can do whatever he wants.
Game. Set. Match. Putin.
That said, I gotta take my hat off to the man. He is working in his and and his country's interest and DGAF about what the "world" thinks because he knows they may bitch but without true leadership the "world" is just going to watch him treat them like his bitch.
He knows 'ol Barry doesn't have the stones to stand up to him, China DGAF, and the rest of the world combined does't have the ability without the US to do anything. So Putin will do what he wants how he wants.
The truly brilliant part is, we can't get out of Afghanistan unless we keep Putin happy. All "roads" out of Afghanistan lead through Russia. So while ol' Barry might want to threaten this that or the other between Barry not having the stones to do anything, and our strategic need to continue to use our Khazikstan bases to get out of Afghanistan Putin can do whatever he wants.
Game. Set. Match. Putin.
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:30 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
I could beat a 6 year old at chess too.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:32 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
1. i think ukraine has somethings putin wants, but i think this is mostly a test or a diversion for something else
2. i think this is a test of western europe much more than a test of the USA/Obama
3. China's involvement, or lack thereof, will be telling
2. i think this is a test of western europe much more than a test of the USA/Obama
3. China's involvement, or lack thereof, will be telling
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:33 am to rcd0808
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I could beat a 6 year old at chess too.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:34 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
It's funny how a power struggle in Ukraine, or whatever you want to call it, gives politards on here boners.
How about you clowns actually offer what up the US should be doing instead of sucking Putin's dick while shitting on your President.
How about you clowns actually offer what up the US should be doing instead of sucking Putin's dick while shitting on your President.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:37 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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He knows 'ol Barry doesn't have the stones to stand up to him, China DGAF, and the rest of the world combined does't have the ability without the US to do anything. So Putin will do what he wants how he wants
What do you think Obama could have done to prevent this? I keep hearing people say that Obama should have been tougher, but how would this toughness have manifested itself in a way that Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think this is a test of western europe much more than a test of the USA/Obama
Yes.
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i think ukraine has somethings putin wants, but i think this is mostly a test or a diversion for something else
My feeling is if Putin feels he can bully Europe on Ukraine then he will try to bully Europe on gas pricing. Isn't Ukraine a major pipeline for Russian gas going through to Europe? I think it was a kerfuffle over pipelines that began the woman PM of Ukraine's end right? I'm going on shaky memory here, but if Putin can bully his way into control of those pipelines then he can raise prices which will hurt the EU while enriching himself, his friends, and Russia.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:39 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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He is working in his and and his country's interest
How has he ever worked in the interest of Russia? Have you not noticed the sorry state of affairs there? The jailing and murder of dissidents, the rampant corruption....it's a kleptocracy. He acts only in his and the oligarchs best interest.
And in regard to Ukraine...he thought he had purchased the prev government only to have that plan explode in his face...now he's in a precarious position. Additionally the ethnic Russians are pretty clear they don't want Russian rule.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:39 am to trackfan
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What do you think Obama could have done to prevent this? I keep hearing people say that Obama should have been tougher, but how would this toughness have manifested itself in a way that Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine?
Missiles in Poland may have helped.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:40 am to trackfan
He could have ran syria's leader right out of town after he crossed Obama's line! Yoyu people think other leaders dont pay attention. Putin had this after he bitched slap Obama after syria.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:41 am to cwill
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He acts only in his and the oligarchs best interest.
Kind of like Obama
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:45 am to real
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He could have ran syria's leader right out of town after he crossed Obama's line! Yoyu people think other leaders dont pay attention. Putin had this after he bitched slap Obama after syria.
My question was about Ukraine, not Syria. Stay focused. How could Obama have prevented an invasion of Ukraine?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:46 am to rcd0808
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Missiles in Poland may have helped
Really? Russia would seriously be threatened that we might fire on them? Not even Cheney would be dumb enough to fire a missile on Russia over this shite.
As with any international conflict, US should stay out of it until we are directly threatened with force. It's not our job to protect the Ukraine or to tell Putin to take his toys and go home. Putin is the big bully on his block, but when it comes to the city everyone knows US runs shite. Just because Putin is giving Ukraine a wedgie doesn't mean we should be flocking to message boards talking about how powerful Putin is and how weak we are.
The only reason the majority of you even care bc it's just another manufactured talking point against your nemesis.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:46 am to trackfan
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My question was about Ukraine, not Syria. Stay focused. How could Obama have prevented an invasion of Ukraine?
Ukraine didn't happen in a vacuum. Although Bush's weak response to Russia's invasion of Georgia probably played a bigger role.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:46 am to rcd0808
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Missiles in Poland may have helped.
Not sure if serious
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:47 am to rcd0808
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Missiles in Poland may have helped.
Please elaborate.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:48 am to rcd0808
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Ukraine didn't happen in a vacuum. Although Bush's weak response to Russia's invasion of Georgia probably played a bigger role.
So you think W should have attacked Russia over Georgia?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:49 am to Jon Ham
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How about you clowns actually offer what up the US should be doing instead of sucking Putin's dick while shitting on your President.
Really? I am shitting on him? Wow, you know how I know I hit a nerve with liberals? They all the sudden become respective of the POTUS and all become patriots.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:49 am to trackfan
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Please elaborate.
Well, the key word was MAY. Giving up the missile defense in Poland sent a message to Putin that we DGAF about Eastern Europe and that he can basically do what the hell he wants.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:49 am to Jon Ham
quote:Another fellatio expert in the house.
How about you clowns actually offer what up the US should be doing instead of sucking Putin's dick while shitting on your President.
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