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re: Hagel Stepping Down

Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:34 am to
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:34 am to
Hagel never should have had the job to begin with, so it is hard to feel sorry for him even though he is being thrown under the bus.

The confirmation hearings on his successor will likely be a shite show given how Obama fricked the military with Hagel following orders.
Posted by TN Bhoy
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:34 am to
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Give me Webb please.


I thought the Dems hated racism and sexism?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:37 am to
He could restore a lot of confidence over the next couple of years by asking someone like Colin Powell to take over - obviously past his political prime and no threat to the Dem party at all - a Republican who endorsed Obama 2 times and is African American himself.

As a uniformed service member, I would trust Powell more than I did Hagel - in fact, I had more trust in Panetta, a Democrat, than I did Hagel, although he hasn't been a disaster.

ETA: I'm not sure Powell would want to be associated with the coming force reductions - and, from a status standpoint, it would be a slight step back - he's been both CJCS AND SECSTATE - from a prestiege standpoint, SECDEF is certainly behind SECSTATE, even if just a little.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:39 am
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:37 am to
Political horse race sites are name dropping Michele Fluornoy. I actually liked Hagel, if he gets replaced with some Dem hack from a neocon think tank I'm gonna be so salty.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:44 am to
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Political horse race sites are name dropping Michele Fluornoy.


Makes sense - they need someone with expertise from the last draw down - the Clinton 90s - I think she's already heading that team at DoD now, as it is.

A female with no military experience will have zero capital and zero trust with us coming in - she'll have to earn it and she won't have time. In addition, since the cutting is going to be quite severe and painful for the rest of Obama's tenure - especially the Army, it would behoove them to grab someone with some kind of credibility with the men and women in uniform. Petraus is probably off-the-table. Webb is about the only big name Democrat with a hint of the gravitas (some 2000 election lingo for y'all) needed to be any sort of political win as a nomination for Obama - almost anyone else who would take the job would be a push (at best).

This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:45 am
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:45 am to
I say Obama should appoint Dennis:



Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:51 am to
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I say Obama should appoint Dennis:


I don't think that honest people, even Democrats who might be F*CKING INSANE, are on the table here. I like DK - I'm glad he's not President, but I'm also glad Charles Manson isn't President.

Kucinich makes Ron Paul look amazingly rational.
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:03 am to
Jim Webb is running for President. Not gonna take the gig.

LINK /

Posted by Zach
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:07 am to
So, Webb is to the right of Hillary and Eliz Warren is to the left of Hillary. That makes Hillary a centrist in the primary.
Posted by Layabout
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:08 am to
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Turns out there are lies not even a lifetime Senator will tell.

Too bad Hagel wasn't around in 2001.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:11 am to
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Jim Webb is running for President.


As a Democrat?



No chance. Hopefully he splits the vote enough to put Fauxchahontas in the race against the Bum of the Mon... I mean Republican candidate.

A fighting chance, anyway.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:14 am to
Webb Comes across as far more left in this article -

LINK

In his senatorial race, Webb did well not only in northern Virginia, which is filled with Washington commuters and college-educated liberals, but also with rural, working-class white voters in Appalachia. In 2008, those voters were generally more loyal to Clinton than to Obama, but Webb believes that he could attract a national coalition of both groups of voters in the Presidential primaries. He laid out a view of Wall Street that differs sharply from Clinton’s.

“Because of the way that the financial sector dominates both parties, the distinctions that can be made on truly troubling issues are very minor,” he said. He told a story of an effort he led in the Senate in 2010 to try to pass a windfall-profits tax that would have targeted executives at banks and firms which were rescued by the government after the 2008 financial crisis. He said that when he was debating whether to vote for the original bailout package, the Troubled Asset Relief Program, he relied on the advice of an analyst on Wall Street, who told him, “No. 1, you have to do this, because otherwise the world economy will go into cataclysmic free fall. But, No. 2, you have to punish these guys. It is outrageous what they did.”

After the rescue, when Webb pushed for what he saw as a reasonable punishment, his own party blocked the legislation. “The Democrats wouldn’t let me vote on it,” he said. “Because either way you voted on that, you’re making somebody mad. And the financial sector was furious.” He added that one Northeastern senator—Webb wouldn’t say who—“was literally screaming at me on the Senate floor.”

When Clinton was a New York senator, from 2001 to 2009, she fiercely defended the financial industry, which was a crucial source of campaign contributions and of jobs in her state. “If you don’t have stock, and a lot of people in this country don’t have stock, you’re not doing very well,” Webb said. Webb is a populist, but a cautious one, especially on taxes, the issue that seems to have backfired against O’Malley’s administration. As a senator, Webb frustrated some Democrats because he refused to raise individual income-tax rates. But as President, he says, he would be aggressive about taxing income from investments: “Fairness says if you’re a hedge-fund manager or making deals where you’re making hundreds of millions of dollars and you’re paying capital-gains tax on that, rather than ordinary income tax, something’s wrong, and people know something’s wrong. ”
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:17 am to
Webb is a populist. He's more culturally conservative and more suspicious of Wall Street.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:24 am to
So, on the left right scale you'd put him about the same place as Hillary? Obviously, Warren is going to be the standard of the left.
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:27 am to
The guy running from the left will be Bernie Sanders. And he will do well but won't win. Warren will wait her turn thinking it will only be a four year wait.

I put Hill and Webb around the same place. Webb a bit to the left because of what I posted about the banks.

Interesting to read about the Maryland governor as well. I think he will also wait this one it if Hillary gets in and hope to be VP.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:29 am to
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but also with rural, working-class white voters in Appalachia.



Anyone's who has ever read "Born Fighting" would understand why.


Really good book ... not his best, though.
Posted by Holden Caulfield
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:31 am to
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The guy running from the left will be Bernie Sanders. And he will do well but won't win

I don't believe anyone to the left of obama will do well in 2016. I agree, if Sanders runs, he won't win.
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Warren

She would be a fool to run in 2016
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:32 am to
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The guy running from the left will be Bernie Sanders.


He's a kook - no chance.

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Warren will wait her turn thinking it will only be a four year wait.


Fauxchahontas will be 71 in 2020 brah - she's running in 2016.

What has already begun is that Obama's political machine has been transitioning to Warren, as has been promised. She's going to run a similar campaign as Obama, painting HRC as too establishment, too "conservative" and hang her Iraq War vote around her neck, plus her performance as SECSTATE. Where I thought HRC was a shoe in with almost no viable Democrat opposition about a year, year and a half ago, HRC's shaky popularity has taken a hit over the past 6 to 8 months. She's always had high unfavorability ratings, generally, even with a generally adequate popularity (people aren't lukewarm about her, that's for sure) - with this recent collapse, it is possible she won't even run and will cite health concerns/grandmother responsibilities, etc.

I guess we'll know in a few weeks.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:33 am to
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The guy running from the left will be Bernie Sanders. And he will do well but won't win.


I disagree. I don't think Bernie has the fund raising capacity that Warren has. When the money dries up after a couple of primaries he'll bail out. Warren will go for it now, not 6 years from now. She's no spring chicken herself.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:37 am to
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Webb Comes across as far more left in this article -


He could only be considered "conservative" or "right" relative to the Democrat party of the past 30 years or so (post-Reagan, they had to turn hard left because they lost so many "Reagan" democrats.)

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