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Growing doubts about GOP's ability to repeal Obamacare
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:38 pm
Remember when the GOP Congress routinely passed bills to repeal when Obama was in office and knew he would veto? Remember when your GOP Rep or Senator blamed Obama for being the roadblock to repeal?
Yeah that was all a show to dupe you.
I really wish Obama would have called their bluff.
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Yeah that was all a show to dupe you.
I really wish Obama would have called their bluff.
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Repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act, dubbed Obamacare, was a central campaign pledge for Trump. But Senate Republican leaders have faced a revolt within their ranks, with moderate senators uneasy about the millions of Americans forecast to lose their medical insurance under the legislation and hard-line conservatives saying it leaves too much of Obamacare intact.
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This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 4:40 pm
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:43 pm to weagle99
They have the ability, what they lack is:
A. The will to do so. The establishment of the party doesn't really want most of Obamacare repealed. They just lied to the base to get re-elected.
B. Consensus on what the medical industry should look like post-Obamacare repeal. Everyone knows that the pre-Obamacare status quo wasn't working, but neither is Obamacare. Pre-Obamacare had parents of children with chronic illnesses unable to change jobs or else lose coverage of their children's maladies. It saw rapidly rising premiums. Obamacare has not stopped premiums from rising for most. Pre-existing conditions are covered, but deductables are also much much higher, to the point of insurance being basically useless for many.
This leaves the GOP in a bind. They do not seem to know which way to go.
A. The will to do so. The establishment of the party doesn't really want most of Obamacare repealed. They just lied to the base to get re-elected.
B. Consensus on what the medical industry should look like post-Obamacare repeal. Everyone knows that the pre-Obamacare status quo wasn't working, but neither is Obamacare. Pre-Obamacare had parents of children with chronic illnesses unable to change jobs or else lose coverage of their children's maladies. It saw rapidly rising premiums. Obamacare has not stopped premiums from rising for most. Pre-existing conditions are covered, but deductables are also much much higher, to the point of insurance being basically useless for many.
This leaves the GOP in a bind. They do not seem to know which way to go.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:45 pm to weagle99
No, the doubts are whether those fricking idiots will give America what we voted for.
They're trying to cater to the fricking takers instead of those of us that are paying the damn bills.
They're trying to cater to the fricking takers instead of those of us that are paying the damn bills.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:45 pm to kingbob
Spot on.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:46 pm to weagle99
They are utterly fricking useless and to think they'll get tax reform done as well.
All the power in the world and still can't use. God these pansies suck arse
All the power in the world and still can't use. God these pansies suck arse
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:47 pm to weagle99
They have no desire to repeal it. They will tweak it at most, maybe not even that.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:48 pm to weagle99
It's really a disgrace. No way around it.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:49 pm to weagle99
I wouldn't piss in Jeb Hensarling's ear if his brains were on fire (he's my Congressman).
I've never voted for him and am considering voting Democrat for the first time in my life when he's up for election. Time to burn it to the ground.
I've never voted for him and am considering voting Democrat for the first time in my life when he's up for election. Time to burn it to the ground.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:50 pm to weagle99
If they don't repeal Obamacare (as promised for the last 4 years), none of them are safe in 2018.
I'm not at all surprised that this is happening though.
I'm not at all surprised that this is happening though.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:51 pm to weagle99
Let me guess, NYT or WAPO?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:02 pm to kingbob
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Pre-Obamacare had parents of children with chronic illnesses unable to change jobs or else lose coverage of their children's maladies.
That's really not true....it was the lapse in coverage that kicked in the preexisting condition clause....quit job A -> get Cobra -> get new job -> drop Cobra -> get insurance at new company....that worked if you got the end dates and start dates 100% correct. The problem is most people weren't smart enough to worry about that....they just complained about shite when they could have prevented it.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:10 pm to bamarep
quote:Or, they're just following the establishment agenda and they don't give a frick about those of us paying the damn bills.
No, the doubts are whether those fricking idiots will give America what we voted for.
They're trying to cater to the fricking takers instead of those of us that are paying the damn bills.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:15 pm to weagle99
quote:Indeed.
Yeah that was all a show to dupe you.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:15 pm to kingbob
quote:It gives them a built-in excuse when they continue with the establishment agenda.
This leaves the GOP in a bind. They do not seem to know which way to go.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:22 pm to kingbob
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Pre-Obamacare had parents of children with chronic illnesses unable to change jobs or else lose coverage of their children's maladies.
That is mostly untrue. There were laws in place to cover pre-existing conditions and change of group health plans before Obamacare.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:24 pm to weagle99
Their only concern is self preservation in the House or Senate. They do not want to get kicked off of the gravy train in their next elections.
They are scared to make a move. Legislators have paralysis and are doing nothing. Right now, they can still blame Obama (and it is his fault that we are in this mess). Most do not have the balls to repeal. Once entitlements are dished out, it is difficult to reign them in.
Taxes are the same way. Once they get you, they got you. Seldom do you see Taxes given back unless it is something voted on by the people.
They are scared to make a move. Legislators have paralysis and are doing nothing. Right now, they can still blame Obama (and it is his fault that we are in this mess). Most do not have the balls to repeal. Once entitlements are dished out, it is difficult to reign them in.
Taxes are the same way. Once they get you, they got you. Seldom do you see Taxes given back unless it is something voted on by the people.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:33 pm to LSU316
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..it was the lapse in coverage that kicked in the preexisting condition clause.
Fewer people were offered health insurance through their jobs. Given the expense of the individual market, finding a policy that would cover a pre-existing condition meant any unemployment made insurance unaffordable.
The situation you describe was not reality.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:58 am to BamaAtl
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made insurance unaffordable.
So now we are talking about a different problem....IMO affordable insurance is not an unalienable right.
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Fewer people were offered health insurance through their jobs.
Find a better job.
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The situation you describe was not reality.
It absolutely was a reality I did it myself twice that I can remember.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:26 am to LSU316
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Find a better job.
Not always possible.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:15 pm to BamaAtl
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Find a better job.
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Not always possible.
There are so many factors that go into finding a job these days.
This board mainly focuses on major and school, but those are only a few aspects in determining job hunting success.
Major factors such as networking with the right people or accruing internship/ apprenticeship experience play a larger role than academics in a lot of cases.
As for outside influences, what city is the person living in. Some people may be stuck in certain areas until they find a job related to their field.
TLDR. There are more reasons for a person having difficulty finding a "better job" than just "being lazy" or simply not trying.
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