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re: Greenwald - Meet the Muslim-American Leaders the FBI and NSA Have Been Spying On
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:54 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:54 am to Wolfhound45
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So, are you concerned about the IRS as well?
Yes, along with the EPA and almost all other govt agencies. It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of power these bureaucrats have...
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:05 am to Truckasaurus
Given that one of the founders of CAIR is on that list, my sympathy is pretty damn low.
CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a number of federal cases, such as when the Holy Land Foundation was funnelling money to terrorists.
CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a number of federal cases, such as when the Holy Land Foundation was funnelling money to terrorists.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:05 am to Lsut81
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Yes, along with the EPA and almost all other govt agencies. It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of power these bureaucrats have...
Could not agree with you more.
What people fail to realize is that they are the true continuity of the federal government. The political appointees of administrations come and go, they remain. And their power is nearly absolute.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:12 am to Truckasaurus
The way you are positioning this it would appear that you misread the article and assume these are the only 5 Americans targeted 
. You're smarter than that.
. You're smarter than that. 
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:22 am to ironsides
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The way you are positioning this it would appear that you misread the article and assume these are the only 5 Americans targeted . You're smarter than that.
Right. I thought about changing the title, but it was hard to fit , "there is a very long list of e-mail addresses that are not directly tagged to names, but in certain cases they could determine who the people were and we contacted them for this story, but only a few wanted to be contacted, and those are the only ones we included in the story, and we intentionally omitted people that are active targets," into a one line subject.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:25 am to Truckasaurus
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Right. I thought about changing the title, but it was hard to fit...
How about...
Greenwald - Meet the Muslim-American Leaders the FBI and NSA Have Been Spying On
Kind of hard to go wrong with that.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:25 am to Truckasaurus
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Right. I thought about changing the title, but it was hard to fit
Just ad "Of the" in between 5 and Americans
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:35 am to Truckasaurus
Or you are intentionally trying to mislead with your title.
We already know PRISM has been used to do way more than this. You know better than to believe the technology has only been used to track 5 Americans.
We already know PRISM has been used to do way more than this. You know better than to believe the technology has only been used to track 5 Americans.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:35 am to Truckasaurus
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In one instance, the NSA used a fake name on a form - "MOHAMMED RAGHEAD." Anyone using that slur should not be deciding shite regarding surveillance under FISA.
Yeah, I think this is more telling than any of the individual names on the list. When the COINTELPRO documents leaked and you saw FBI agents swapping racist jokes, it didn't exactly lead you to give them the benefit of the doubt about their targeting methods. This should be the same.
The biggest reason conservatives should care, though, is this line from the article:
quote:The copy of the list Snowden had dated from the Bush administration. It reveals nothing about the Obama administration's NSA policies except the scope of the power he inherited. And we know he is willing to expand that because of his re-opening of the back door search loophole.
The spreadsheet shows 7,485 email addresses listed as monitored between 2002 and 2008.
Now, ask yourself how confident you are about Obama not politicizing the powers of the NSA.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:43 am to Wolfhound45
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Wolfhound45
Liked your title better. Thanks.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:49 am to Truckasaurus
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:49 am to Truckasaurus
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Liked your title better. Thanks.
Thanks for the compliment, but it was actually (I would believe) the title provided by the editor.
My methodology for posts is to cite the source (Greenwald, NTY, FNC, CNN, et al) and use the title from the actual article (preferably the original source and not one that has been used by other news sites who have taken up the story) and let the cards fall where they may. If it is too long, then I break it in a natural place (...) and incorporate it into the body of the post. Provide the opening paragraphs (quoted) followed by the link.
Let the debate/discussion begin.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:57 am to ironsides
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We already know PRISM has been used to do way more than this. You know better than to believe the technology has only been used to track 5 Americans.
PRISM is en masse metadata collection, no individual warrants necessary. They get a mass collection warrant served on the tech companies and not on a particular individual.
With a FISA warrant on an individual you get content.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:59 am to Truckasaurus
This is huge, game changer. So the NSA was doing its job and protecting the country. I know some here are disappointed.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:15 am to Lakeboy7
Greenwald definitely made a mistake hyping this story. From an ethical standpoint it's a big deal, but from a cynical standpoint, well, I can only imagine how many people are reading just long enough to reach a stop-word like "Muslim" or "lawyers" or maybe "CAIR" and then shutting off their brain with "who cares" and not reading the bios of the specific people, or the Mohammed Raghead bit, or conspiratard Guandolo on writing up the PC.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:17 am to Truckasaurus
So was this approved by a FISA court or not? Was a warrant lawfully obtained?
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:19 am to Truckasaurus
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• Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the largest Muslim civil rights organization in the country.
I'd spy on this guy, too.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:24 am to Wolfhound45
Muslims aren't the only ones being targeted if people want to chime in. Here is Greenwald's quote from the Reddit AMA --
"I get in trouble every time I talk about our reporting before it's ready, but suffice to say: Muslims, while the prime target of post-9/11 abuses, are not the only ones targeted by them, and there is definitely more big reporting to come from the Snowden archive."
"I get in trouble every time I talk about our reporting before it's ready, but suffice to say: Muslims, while the prime target of post-9/11 abuses, are not the only ones targeted by them, and there is definitely more big reporting to come from the Snowden archive."
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:25 am to Navytiger74
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So was this approved by a FISA court or not? Was a warrant lawfully obtained?
A warrant was "lawfully obtained" for PRISM. The big deal here is not the lack of warrants. It's that apparently all you need to do to get a warrant written out is to be a politically-connected Muslim and some nutjob in the FBI will replace "Mohammed Raghead" with your name on a form affidavit swearing you are three degrees from UBL. And there is no adversarial process to challenge this, it is kept secret forever, and if you're ever arrested on the basis of a shitty FISA warrant, good luck challenging the PC, because they ain't even give that mess to you even if you specifically hire a defense lawyer with TS/SCI clearance.
That's why they painstakingly go through the bios of every person and whenever there is something in there that someone might say "but what about this," they knock it down. Maybe read the story?
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 10:27 am
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:36 am to Iosh
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Maybe read the story?
No. You really could have kept it to a simple yes.
ETA: For the record, I can't access the link from work. If it's a site that routinely posts "leaks" it would be blocked.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 10:38 am
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