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re: Grand Jury Doesn't Indict Cops who kill man with down syndrome
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:50 am to the808bass
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:50 am to the808bass
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The issues come into focus when we see a cop choke a dude to death and all the cops look at the video and say, "Looks good to me."
He did put him into the hold, but to say he choked him to death is not exactly correct. The choke hold wasn't on him very long at all. I don't think anyone would argue this couldn't have been handled better, but with a man this size and with his strength it isn't always pretty when he gets taken down. On that note, I wouldn't have applied the choke hold/head lock on him. I would have taken his legs out from under him to take him down.
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:44 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Here is a good article about police reform. Some points you may or may not agree with, but all valid points.
the article is nonsense. none of those things are needed for cops to stop acting like thugs. there no give and take in this debate. cops have become over-militarized, overly aggressive, and committed to escalation instead of resolution.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:58 am to Ole War Skule
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the article is nonsense. none of those things are needed for cops to stop acting like thugs. there no give and take in this debate. cops have become over-militarized, overly aggressive, and committed to escalation instead of resolution.
Your response is a lot of nonsense. The everyday officer is not "militarized" as you say. He has better weapons now but the work is the same. The "thugs" as you call them are a very small loud minority that is constantly being weeded out, but new weeds keep popping up. If you honestly look at the numbers, you would see that 99% of police interactions with the public no problems at all. The vast majority of arrest are also non events. Very few arrest make the news as well as very few use of forces. The criminals are he ones that start the confrontations 90% of the time. The other 10% are started by bad officers that like to start fights. Those idiots make all of us look bad.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:06 am to Taxing Authority
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Not what I'm saying. It's a bit like airliner crashes. Very rare, but absolutely terrible if it happens to you.
Idk, man. Obviously I prefer it not happen to me or my family. But its definitely still terrible even if it doesn't happen to me. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting you post
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:12 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Those idiots make all of us look bad.
You "good cops" not standing up and really admonishing the bad ones is what makes you look bad. Instead, cops always have excuses for other cops. Its sad, really.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
All people care about is if the cops were white. Period. Everything else is subtext.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:17 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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The other 10% are started by bad officers that like to start fights.
and when a 'bad cop' new story comes up, the TD cops rush to the officer's defense in most every case while many 'civilians' are shocked at the unnecessary force being used. there is a WIDE gulf between how cops see the world and many law abiding 'civilians' see it.
SWAT teams, no-knock raids for non-violent suspects, checkpoints, gangs of cops pouncing on individual suspects, shootings of unarmed suspects, arrogance, 'getting home safe' at ANY cost mentality, and the thin blue line all contribute to a new fear and distrust of cops by the middle class that I have never seen before......but in your eyes, there's no serious problem...which proves there is.
it's no longer just blacks, hispanics, and hippies that are being abused by cops, they're now pushing around good people too
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:48 am to the808bass
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Or maybe they read the autopsy which determined it was a homicide by asphyxia.
I chose my words poorly. It should have read, "There's a whole lot of reading between the lines and illogical gymnastics going on to get from the scant few details given to 'they acted unlawfully'". We don't even know if they used poor judgement. Were they cuffing him to arrest him? Were they only cuffing him to restrain him? What did he do to them? They laid him on his stomach for a short period, but did they do anything else to him?
It's as if people see the term homicide and assume it implies criminalty 100% of the time. Sometimes is is a case of Homicide per infortunium.
It seems that when the police are involved, otherwise reasonably intelligent people become knee-jerk reactionaries. It's baffling.
The article is written in a biased manner, includes almost no details and should scream "withhold judgement!"
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:00 am to Scruffy
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it is because everyone buys unti the bullshite claim that the cop was fearing for his life
Meh, IDK.
This situation is awful. That being said, I'd hate to be a cop. You go through training that teaches you your most at risk of injury or death while detaining a suspect. I'm sure you see videos of the right and wrong way to do it, where cops are killed or where cops go over the line and are prosecuted. However, when a struggle begins, I would think your first instinct is to protect yourself and deal with the ramifications after the fact.
It is incredibly sad when something like this happens, but I won't pretend to act like It is easy to stay calm in some of these situations. In fact, I think the "problem" is that of the people who are capable of staying perfectly calm and rational when shite starts to fall apart, the subset who choose to be cops is incredibly small. In other words, there is a greater need for cops than there are people suitable to be cops, and I'm not sure how you fix that.
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