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re: "God's plan" God does not save us from earthly suffering
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:02 am to FearlessFreep
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:02 am to FearlessFreep
“America” or the “United States of America” is not mentioned in the Bible.
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:02 am to Meauxjeaux
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Anyone who’s truly read the Bible
The real Bible doesn't exist anymore. It has been selectively pruned and curated to be the authoritative document the church needed it to be when convenient
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:03 am to burger bearcat
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God does not save us from earthly suffering
It may have taken a while, but God did lead the Israelites out of Egypt; and he will lead us through this time as well!
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:05 am to RancherReb
Prayer moves Heaven on our behalf. Faith without works is no faith. Prayer is a must.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:05 am to FearlessFreep
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America is no more chosen by God than anyone else.
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And yet there has been a significant percentage of the Republican Party leadership who have proclaimed the the USA is God’s instrument for good in the world.
100% God has a plan for the US and it is a chosen instrument of His.
Now, getting realistic about how that plays out is the hard part.
If good people in the US allow evil to thrive and win, God's plan "appears" bad.
God works through man and nation. If people listen and do His bidding, it comes out good. If they turn from Him and do the other dudes bidding, it looks awesome in a fleshly sense, but sooner or later turns out bad.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:05 am to burger bearcat
God does have a plan and he will win in the end.
But I agree that we aren’t guaranteed a life of prosperity and no suffering. That is the bs prosperity gospel that people like Osteen and Myer teach.
The church will not however be here to endure God’s wrath which are the seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments that are poured out in the earth during the 7 year tribulation period.
But I agree that we aren’t guaranteed a life of prosperity and no suffering. That is the bs prosperity gospel that people like Osteen and Myer teach.
The church will not however be here to endure God’s wrath which are the seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments that are poured out in the earth during the 7 year tribulation period.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:07 am to burger bearcat
Most people don't understand the concept that God gave us the power of will and God is going to sit back and see what we do with it.
That is and always was the plan. Until people start using their willpower to change their world around them, then nothing will change.
Talk to God, feel his presence. But those things are meant to instill your confidence in yourself to use that willpower.
Our people won't change until we quit trying to put our actions on others backs. Both sides do this, and we're only getting lazier.
That is and always was the plan. Until people start using their willpower to change their world around them, then nothing will change.
Talk to God, feel his presence. But those things are meant to instill your confidence in yourself to use that willpower.
Our people won't change until we quit trying to put our actions on others backs. Both sides do this, and we're only getting lazier.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:07 am to FlexDawg
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God does have a plan and he will win in the end.
He will win in the end. That doesn't mean it will be comfortable for people to be Christians until the end.
That's why we have to keep fighting. Pursuing truth is a Godly endeavor, something liberals and RINOS abhor.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:08 am to hometownhero89
LMAO that having a POTUS with a different affiliation than you is "suffering."
Oh muh trials and tribulations.
Oh muh trials and tribulations.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:09 am to burger bearcat
If one thing has come to light through all of this is our idolatry. I admit as a Christian I was focus on what Trump could do to “save the country”. My eyes have been refocused that Christ is our source of hope and we are only passing through this life. The most difficult part is looking back on the country of blessing I grew up in and looking down the road at what my kids may face. That’s high level guilt.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:09 am to GregoryD
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LMAO that having a POTUS with a different affiliation than you is "suffering."
Oh muh trials and tribulations.
Well, the ignorance in this comment is clear. A different party affiliation means people just lost their fricking jobs, moron. And now they're suffering. Guess you missed that.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:12 am to hometownhero89
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gave us the power of will and God is going to sit back and see what we do with it
So you are saying he is either not omnipotent or not 100% good. Both of which are against my 14 years of Catholic school teaching.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:12 am to burger bearcat
God doesn’t help those not willing to help themselves
I’ve done best when I do the best with the gifts God gave me, then leave the results to God
Just how I’ve come to believe
I’ve done best when I do the best with the gifts God gave me, then leave the results to God
Just how I’ve come to believe
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:14 am to BiteMe2020
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He will win in the end. That doesn't mean it will be comfortable for people to be Christians until the end.
That’s basically what I said.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:14 am to ShoeBang
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So you are saying he is either not omnipotent or not 100% good. Both of which are against my 14 years of Catholic school teaching.
The Euthyphro dilemma. A demonstrably false dichotomy.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:16 am to BiteMe2020
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The Euthyphro dilemma. A demonstrably false dichotomy
Then please demonstrate
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:19 am to ShoeBang
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So you are saying he is either not omnipotent or not 100% good. Both of which are against my 14 years of Catholic school teaching.
Never said either of those. That's your 14 years of Catholic schooling just projecting its arrogance.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:23 am to ShoeBang
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Then please demonstrate
Sure.
We need a good "Does God Exist" thread, or maybe there's a religion subforum I've missed.
A false dichotomy argument along those lines typically runs like this:
Either God is perfectly good (omnibenevolent - NOT omniscient or omnipotent), and no evil will exist anywhere, or God is not perfectly good, and therefore doesn't exist.
Another version goes: Is God good simply because he wills something good, or is God not really God because there is a higher authority that God appeals to to determine good from evil.
When there is a third option. God was not created, and appeals to nothing than His own nature for determining good from bad or evil. God does not declare something bad, except for communicating His own, unchangeable nature to creations. It's just God's eternal nature.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:24 am to hometownhero89
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Never said either of those
What you did say infers it however. Maybe change your wording.
The way I see it is you believe in God being a clock maker who presses the green GO button and sits back to watch the show, but doesn't know how it ends.
I was taught that God is the master of time and space, thus knows my every move before I make it. Maybe just a difference in religious indoctrin….I mean instruction
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:31 am to BiteMe2020
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God was not created, and appeals to nothing than His own nature for determining good from bad or evil. God does not declare something bad, except for communicating His own, unchangeable nature to creations. It's just God's eternal nature.
That tells me that good or bad is subjective to the whims of the almighty, thus the ideas of the two are inherently flawed.
I have been cursed with an unbelieving mind since I was a small child. I have talked to priests, religion teachers of some of the false Christian religions like Baptist and Methodist, and no one has been able to convince me that their interpretation of him is close to true.
If god exists, he cured me from birth with the inability to believe. I have been searching for something to believe in my whole life, yet nothing touched me. It has lead me to studying as many religions as possible for something to believe, but I never have. Stll bring my family to Catholic church every Sunday, but I stopped listening 15 years ago, just can't devote energy to something that I can't feel or believe.
I'll stop this convo here because it is certainly the wrong forum.
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