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re: Gay pride tolerance
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:23 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:23 am to Pettifogger
Very solid post. Gotta agree with your points. I guess I'm being a little too idealistic expecting society to just accept every non-norm appearance as something they see in everyday life. It's only natural to have a different type of response to something you don't typically see.
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:24 am to ballscaster
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Just like Sat Patrick's Day!
You beat me to it.
Yes, some groups like to have parades. The parades don't have to have a singular, clear message. Sometimes people just want to have a good time without being so feminine about it ("I just need to know that this parade meant something to you."). Gays like to have parades sometimes. Sometimes it's somebody else's birthday and not yours. There's nothing to "get."
There's nothing wrong with parades for fun. There's nothing wrong with Pride parades either.
But Pride parades have political significance, and which is used both by opponents and participants. I think they're kind of interesting in what they represent/don't represent and the amount of diversity within them.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:24 am to Pettifogger
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On a broader level, if you want to be treated as normal by this society, you'll generally need to find some compromise with its norms. I'm sure plenty of people who act in the manner we're talking about don't really care about that. But, if you want to be treated equally (I don't mean rights, just in how people respond to you), acting in that manner will discredit a lot of your complaints, IMO.
You mean like what happens in NOLA every year with the heteros? If you don't think they're comparable, gooble new orleans mardi gras naked.
Pride fests are celebrations. People having fun. Sorry for partying.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:25 am to Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:27 am to Vegas Bengal
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You mean like what happens in NOLA every year with the heteros? If you don't think they're comparable, gooble new orleans mardi gras naked.
Pride fests are celebrations. People having fun. Sorry for partying.
I don't think you saw my post about mardi gras.
I'm not anti-Pride. I think it's an interesting topic. I've never personally had an issue with a parade.
That said, if you live in a neighborhood where the parade comes through, and you haven't availed yourself of that environment (you didn't move into a very progressive/openly gay neighborhood), I don't fault the folks who get a little unhappy at the more extreme parade antics.
You go to NOLA, you know what you're getting. Same isn't always true with the Pride festivities, but again, I don't think this is an epidemic of Pride problems or anything.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:44 am to Pettifogger
I think anyone knows there will be over the top things at Pride events. And FWIW, I personally find a lot of it disgusting. But then I feel the same way about a lot of the people I see at Walmart. I just turn the other way.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:50 am to Vegas Bengal
These pride events are little more than "shock" events. For the most part, it's a contest to see who can dress/act the most outrageous. That's where it differs from normal parades/events.
At least that's what I have observed from the recent pride event that I witnessed this weekend.
At least that's what I have observed from the recent pride event that I witnessed this weekend.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:18 am to upgrayedd
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Both sides could use the occasional chill pill
This.. But people like to hate. On all sides. Minorities like to hate on other minorities.
Christians hate on other religions and other christians. Gays hate on others gays and others in general.
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These pride events are little more than "shock" events. For the most part, it's a contest to see who can dress/act the most outrageous. That's where it differs from normal parades/events. At least that's what I have observed from the recent pride event that I witnessed this weekend.
I think a little has to do with what is going to be most eye catching or most memorable.
Like at mardi gras, its got a reputation for girls showing tits even though the majority dont.
Or when i would work in the restaurant, a coworker could have all african american tables. They could all be good except one, and he would bitch and complain and stereotype based on that one table.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:22 pm to petar
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I think a little has to do with what is going to be most eye catching or most memorable.
Like at mardi gras, its got a reputation for girls showing tits even though the majority dont.
Or when i would work in the restaurant, a coworker could have all african american tables. They could all be good except one, and he would bitch and complain and stereotype based on that one table.
OK, and none of this is done under the guise of "pride".
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:33 pm to upgrayedd
I don't totally agree with that as Mardi gras is a prideful event for Louisianians as well as Catholics.
As is St. Patricks Day.
And detractors of these festivals could have similar sentiments because the actions of the minority who do not act appropriately at these festivals
As is St. Patricks Day.
And detractors of these festivals could have similar sentiments because the actions of the minority who do not act appropriately at these festivals
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:42 pm to petar
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as Mardi gras is a prideful event for Louisianians as well as Catholics.
That's a bit of a stretch
Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:07 pm to Pettifogger
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Some shame is fine. I don't think there's much nobility in not feeling ashamed for dressing your boyfriend up as a slave and dragging him around in public.
To each his own, I suppose. But the OP is right, some of the most intolerant people are the people who preach for inclusion and acceptance...extremist gays (and liberals) are the first to cry when they're wronged, but will jump at the chance to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.
I'm gay, and I'd be willing to bet 99% of the people on this board would never have a clue if we crossed paths in real life. It's not that I don't have "pride" in myself, because I do...I just don't ascribe to the antics some gays do. I can laugh at it, but it's not for me and I certainly wouldn't engage in it. I'd take a cold beer and a football game everyday over a pride parade.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:13 pm to ibldprplgld
Totally agree. Nice post.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:35 pm to ibldprplgld
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I'm gay, and I'd be willing to bet 99% of the people on this board would never have a clue if we crossed paths in real life. It's not that I don't have "pride" in myself, because I do...I just don't ascribe to the antics some gays do. I can laugh at it, but it's not for me and I certainly wouldn't engage in it. I'd take a cold beer and a football game everyday over a pride parade
This. I'm gay and Pride Parades make me uncomfortable. Don't be quick to judge all gay people on what you see in the streets because it's not an honest representation. With that said, I do understand why they're so boisterous and crazy in these parades. These all started after the Stonewall riots, and it's just a gesture that you're proud and won't be silenced. It's turned into a big party weekend, and the result is a little obscene at times. I don't have a problem with it, but I don't partake.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:47 pm to IdahoTiger
Same. The problems stem from those who don't know a single gay person and their only opinion of gay people is based off what they see in these pride parades.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:17 pm to IdahoTiger
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This. I'm gay and Pride Parades make me uncomfortable. Don't be quick to judge all gay people on what you see in the streets because it's not an honest representation. With that said, I do understand why they're so boisterous and crazy in these parades. These all started after the Stonewall riots, and it's just a gesture that you're proud and won't be silenced. It's turned into a big party weekend, and the result is a little obscene at times. I don't have a problem with it, but I don't partake.
Exactly. I have a lot of friends who come in every year for Decadence. I personally think it's pretty dirty and not really my scene. There are a lot of gay people who just don't feel comfortable in that scene.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Same. The problems stem from those who don't know a single gay person and their only opinion of gay people is based off what they see in these pride parades.
Good point. Stereotypes are not dangerous in and of themselves. They become dangerous when people refuse to integrate new information into those stereotypes (i.e., augment one's view based on new information).
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:58 pm to ibldprplgld
quote:Thank you
But the OP is right, some of the most intolerant people are the people who preach for inclusion and acceptance
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:03 pm to ibldprplgld
quote:Stereotypes are a fact of life. EVERYONE is stereotyped. White, blacks, Hispanics and gays. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
Stereotypes are not dangerous in and of themselves.
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