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Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:02 am to Meauxjeaux
If they actually can harness this it would be great. A huge step for mankind. From what I’ve read they’re still very far away from making it viable to power anything though. Probably after we’re all gone.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:02 am to Barneyrb
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They call that "perpetual motion", it doesn't exist
That’s not what this is.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:08 am to Barneyrb
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They call that "perpetual motion", it doesn't exist
Hmm, let's read again, slowly.
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for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it,
This doesn't mean it violates CoE. If you light a candle it produces more energy than was used to ignite it.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:38 am to Powerman
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There are countries that exist just for providing energy which is one of the most valuable commodities in the modern world. If they get displaced they won't go away quietly. It will likely come with violence.
Theoretically, were we to ramp up fission energy production and scale it to power nations, the effect on the world’s economy would be huge. Much of the world’s economy turns on energy and cheap, clean energy would turn that on its head.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:42 am to Mickey Goldmill
Producing the energy and capturing it are two different things. Still several decades away, so the biden admin will have to forgive me if i ignore this “breakthrough”
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 6:43 am
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:44 am to Deplorableinohio
If this becomes reality, they will have to ration resources. Cars will still need batteries, even if the energy is "almost free".
Questions I have:
1.) What happens to all the countries who's sole source of revenue is O&G? Many of them hate the western world anyway and how will they react when this happens?
2.) The world has limited resources. What happens in the inevitable population explosion when unlimited energy becomes a reality? Will our New World Order impose restrictions on us for the greater good, in order to conserve resources (eat bugs, not beef)?
3.) How do we resolve the battery problems - limited range and limited materials to make them? Or will every car have its own nuclear reactor, which would probably make them cost prohibitive?
Questions I have:
1.) What happens to all the countries who's sole source of revenue is O&G? Many of them hate the western world anyway and how will they react when this happens?
2.) The world has limited resources. What happens in the inevitable population explosion when unlimited energy becomes a reality? Will our New World Order impose restrictions on us for the greater good, in order to conserve resources (eat bugs, not beef)?
3.) How do we resolve the battery problems - limited range and limited materials to make them? Or will every car have its own nuclear reactor, which would probably make them cost prohibitive?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:47 am to Deplorableinohio
DEMS will find something wrong with it, unless it makes them rich.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:50 am to Deplorableinohio
I am perhaps a slow witted individual, but when CBS reported this on the evening news they said that this experimental fusion exercise occurred thru the use of lasers to generate the fusion. Pardon me if I am wrong, but does the lasers not require some form of energy input to be able to generate a beam? And the researcher said that if this was true that it could instantly replace all fossil fuels. I am sorry, but the last time I checked my 66 Cobra and 67 Mustang do not run on fusion reactors, but good old dinosaur squeezings. I think the jury is still out.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:04 am to DocYatesVA
It may not entirely replace fossil fuels, but it could conceivably power the entire electrical grid at a low cost to end users.
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:15 am to Powerman
Ok. Start expounding on them.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:20 am to DocYatesVA
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I am perhaps a slow witted individual, but when CBS reported this on the evening news they said that this experimental fusion exercise occurred thru the use of lasers to generate the fusion. Pardon me if I am wrong, but does the lasers not require some form of energy input to be able to generate a beam? And the researcher said that if this was true that it could instantly replace all fossil fuels. I am sorry, but the last time I checked my 66 Cobra and 67 Mustang do not run on fusion reactors, but good old dinosaur squeezings. I think the jury is still out.
The reason this was a breakthrough because the fusion released more energy than what they put into it. So the energy used by the lazers was less than what was released.
The guy who said it could instantly replace fossil fuels is naïve and is either saying that for funding or saying it because he's also a political nutjob with an agenda.
What it could do though is power the electric grid, trains, and other things to improve our life.
Vehicles will still need fossil fuels. But not having to use fossil fuels for electricity would still be massive. This type of energy by smooshing two hydrogen atoms together would only have byproducts of energy and helium.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:59 am to Meauxjeaux
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What’s the word for this one when the magnets fail?
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:08 am to Powerman
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There are countries that exist just for providing energy which is one of the most valuable commodities in the modern world. If they get displaced they won't go away quietly. It will likely come with violence.
Bring it, Ahmed.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:13 am to Deplorableinohio
article I read says it produces 120% of what's needed to operate. its a start.
and kudos on your accessible summary presentation of the issues.
do you really think the former gov of Michigan has to do more than be the face of the organization in this event?
I'm betting she didn't do much of the lab work. come on man.
I'm sure she's capable of mgmt.
and kudos on your accessible summary presentation of the issues.
do you really think the former gov of Michigan has to do more than be the face of the organization in this event?
I'm betting she didn't do much of the lab work. come on man.
I'm sure she's capable of mgmt.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 8:17 am
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:18 am to Jax-Tiger
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1.) What happens to all the countries who's sole source of revenue is O&G? Many of them hate the western world anyway and how will they react when this happens?
2.) The world has limited resources. What happens in the inevitable population explosion when unlimited energy becomes a reality? Will our New World Order impose restrictions on us for the greater good, in order to conserve resources (eat bugs, not beef)?
3.) How do we resolve the battery problems - limited range and limited materials to make them? Or will every car have its own nuclear reactor, which would probably make them cost prohibitive?
1) they've been preparing it by diversifying their economies. many of those gulf states have been transitioning to a tourism based economic model.
2) unlimited energy means more people elevate out of poverty. i think its proven now that people have less children as quality of life improves (see east asian countries and europe)
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:26 am to Mickey Goldmill
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm was set to announce a “major scientific breakthrough” Tuesday in the decades-long quest to harness fusion, the energy that powers the sun and stars.
Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it, something called net energy gain, according to one government official and one scientist familiar with the research. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the breakthrough ahead of the announcement.
Let me sum this up for you, mick
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:32 am to Deplorableinohio
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Then you have to figure out how to physically heat water to create steam through the magnetic field.
Yeah, I would like to see at least a conceptual design of the torsional "donut" to keep the fusion reaction suspended and in place and at the same time the material involved to pull the heat away at the temperature of the sun to boil water.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:34 am to Meauxjeaux
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What’s the word for this one when the magnets fail?
The fusion reaction stops.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:39 am to DocYatesVA
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Pardon me if I am wrong, but does the lasers not require some form of energy input to be able to generate a beam?
Yes. They are saying the energy used by lasers to produce the fusion reaction is less than the fusion reaction energy output.
The thing that these small scale theoretical fusion reactions do not have compared to the sun is mass and therefore gravity. Mass and by direct correlation gravity is what keeps the sun's fusion reaction going.
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