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Fusion announcement tomorrow

Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:31 pm
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:31 pm
To generate electricity, absent wind and solar, you boil water and run steam through a turbine attached to a generator to generate electricity.

You boil water by heating it with oil, coal, natural gas, biomass, and nuclear (fission).

Fusion is another way to heat water.

So, you have to contain the plasma, which is at the temperature of the sun. Pull out the periodic table. It shows all the known materials in the universe. No combination of those elements can be mixed to produce a vessel to withstand the temperatures of the fusion process plasma. None.

So the container has to be a strong magnetic field, which takes energy. So the energy output of the fusion process has to exceed the energy input of the magnetic field necessary to contain and control the plasma.

Then you have to figure out how to physically heat water to create steam through the magnetic field.

Btw, no one in western societies burn oil to generate electricity. It’s coal, natural gas, nuclear, and biomass. Solar and wind is less than 5%, and needs backup from conventional sources to ensure a reliable 24/7 grid. Hydro is around 9%. Fossil fuels and nuclear are about 85%.

So think about this as your doe energy secretary, former governor of Michigan and career politician talks about this groundbreaking fusion experiment. By government scientists.

Yes, I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.

Btw, the first time I drive by a wind farm with all wind turbines working will be the first time.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:35 pm to
So, with fission, we would nuke ourselves. What’s the word for this one when the magnets fail?
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 10:36 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:36 pm to
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-science/ap-officials-to-announce-long-awaited-fusion-energy-advance/amp/

WASHINGTON (AP) — Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm was set to announce a “major scientific breakthrough” Tuesday in the decades-long quest to harness fusion, the energy that powers the sun and stars.

Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it, something called net energy gain, according to one government official and one scientist familiar with the research. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the breakthrough ahead of the announcement.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19514 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:40 pm to
MIT just did a major break-though with high temperature super conductors that greatly increases the efficient power of the magnetic bottle to new record levels.

It's a game changer.

quote:

MIT-designed project achieves major advance toward fusion energy
New superconducting magnet breaks magnetic field strength records, paving the way for practical, commercial, carbon-free power.


https://news.mit.edu/2021/MIT-CFS-major-advance-toward-fusion-energy-0908
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71455 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:44 pm to
What’s the cons and dangers of this?
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
30290 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:50 pm to
Saw this in a Val Kilmer movie..The Saint..based on Roger Moore Brit tv series..Elizabeth Shue was in it too.

Cold fusion achieved in our lifetimes would be something amazing.
Posted by LazloHollyfeld
Steam Tunnel at UNC-G
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

Elizabeth Shue


Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:23 pm to
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I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.

Understand. But your alleged educational post is not without errors. It's littered with them actually.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162230 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:24 pm to
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What’s the cons and dangers of this?

Violence. Lots of it
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71455 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:25 pm to
Y
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162230 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:30 pm to
There are countries that exist just for providing energy which is one of the most valuable commodities in the modern world. If they get displaced they won't go away quietly. It will likely come with violence.
Posted by MileHighDraw
Member since May 2018
1871 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:30 pm to
You explain that very well.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71455 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:31 pm to
I’m listening. Continue.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:45 pm to
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If they get displaced they won't go away quietly. It will likely come with violence.


So what?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27969 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:53 pm to
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Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it,

How much more?
Posted by MississippiLSUfan
Brookhaven
Member since Oct 2005
12499 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 4:58 am to
Oops. This won’t go like anyone thinks it will if proven true.

This will be bloody.
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
5105 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:31 am to
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Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it,


They call that "perpetual motion", it doesn't exist
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:35 am to
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What’s the word for this one when the magnets fail?
Same as with fission. The core would meltdown to prevent catastrophe

We aren't Ukraine or Japan

Dumbshits and Democrats acting like nuclear power is at all dangerous, outside of theory, is why we still HAVE to have coal plants.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:36 am to
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How much more?
Any is good.

It means they are on the right track.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29389 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:54 am to
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Cold fusion

Is a misnomer. The heat is the resource.
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