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Fusion announcement tomorrow
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:31 pm
To generate electricity, absent wind and solar, you boil water and run steam through a turbine attached to a generator to generate electricity.
You boil water by heating it with oil, coal, natural gas, biomass, and nuclear (fission).
Fusion is another way to heat water.
So, you have to contain the plasma, which is at the temperature of the sun. Pull out the periodic table. It shows all the known materials in the universe. No combination of those elements can be mixed to produce a vessel to withstand the temperatures of the fusion process plasma. None.
So the container has to be a strong magnetic field, which takes energy. So the energy output of the fusion process has to exceed the energy input of the magnetic field necessary to contain and control the plasma.
Then you have to figure out how to physically heat water to create steam through the magnetic field.
Btw, no one in western societies burn oil to generate electricity. It’s coal, natural gas, nuclear, and biomass. Solar and wind is less than 5%, and needs backup from conventional sources to ensure a reliable 24/7 grid. Hydro is around 9%. Fossil fuels and nuclear are about 85%.
So think about this as your doe energy secretary, former governor of Michigan and career politician talks about this groundbreaking fusion experiment. By government scientists.
Yes, I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.
Btw, the first time I drive by a wind farm with all wind turbines working will be the first time.
You boil water by heating it with oil, coal, natural gas, biomass, and nuclear (fission).
Fusion is another way to heat water.
So, you have to contain the plasma, which is at the temperature of the sun. Pull out the periodic table. It shows all the known materials in the universe. No combination of those elements can be mixed to produce a vessel to withstand the temperatures of the fusion process plasma. None.
So the container has to be a strong magnetic field, which takes energy. So the energy output of the fusion process has to exceed the energy input of the magnetic field necessary to contain and control the plasma.
Then you have to figure out how to physically heat water to create steam through the magnetic field.
Btw, no one in western societies burn oil to generate electricity. It’s coal, natural gas, nuclear, and biomass. Solar and wind is less than 5%, and needs backup from conventional sources to ensure a reliable 24/7 grid. Hydro is around 9%. Fossil fuels and nuclear are about 85%.
So think about this as your doe energy secretary, former governor of Michigan and career politician talks about this groundbreaking fusion experiment. By government scientists.
Yes, I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.
Btw, the first time I drive by a wind farm with all wind turbines working will be the first time.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:35 pm to Deplorableinohio
So, with fission, we would nuke ourselves. What’s the word for this one when the magnets fail?
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:36 pm to Deplorableinohio
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-science/ap-officials-to-announce-long-awaited-fusion-energy-advance/amp/
WASHINGTON (AP) — Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm was set to announce a “major scientific breakthrough” Tuesday in the decades-long quest to harness fusion, the energy that powers the sun and stars.
Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it, something called net energy gain, according to one government official and one scientist familiar with the research. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the breakthrough ahead of the announcement.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm was set to announce a “major scientific breakthrough” Tuesday in the decades-long quest to harness fusion, the energy that powers the sun and stars.
Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it, something called net energy gain, according to one government official and one scientist familiar with the research. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the breakthrough ahead of the announcement.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:40 pm to Deplorableinohio
MIT just did a major break-though with high temperature super conductors that greatly increases the efficient power of the magnetic bottle to new record levels.
It's a game changer.
https://news.mit.edu/2021/MIT-CFS-major-advance-toward-fusion-energy-0908
It's a game changer.
quote:
MIT-designed project achieves major advance toward fusion energy
New superconducting magnet breaks magnetic field strength records, paving the way for practical, commercial, carbon-free power.
https://news.mit.edu/2021/MIT-CFS-major-advance-toward-fusion-energy-0908
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:44 pm to Deplorableinohio
What’s the cons and dangers of this?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:50 pm to Deplorableinohio
Saw this in a Val Kilmer movie..The Saint..based on Roger Moore Brit tv series..Elizabeth Shue was in it too.
Cold fusion achieved in our lifetimes would be something amazing.
Cold fusion achieved in our lifetimes would be something amazing.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:20 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Elizabeth Shue
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:23 pm to Deplorableinohio
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I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.
Understand. But your alleged educational post is not without errors. It's littered with them actually.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:24 pm to momentoftruth87
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What’s the cons and dangers of this?
Violence. Lots of it
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:30 pm to momentoftruth87
There are countries that exist just for providing energy which is one of the most valuable commodities in the modern world. If they get displaced they won't go away quietly. It will likely come with violence.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:30 pm to Deplorableinohio
You explain that very well.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:31 pm to Powerman
I’m listening. Continue.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:45 pm to Powerman
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If they get displaced they won't go away quietly. It will likely come with violence.
So what?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:53 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it,
How much more?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 4:58 am to Deplorableinohio
Oops. This won’t go like anyone thinks it will if proven true.
This will be bloody.
This will be bloody.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:31 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it,
They call that "perpetual motion", it doesn't exist
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:35 am to Meauxjeaux
quote:Same as with fission. The core would meltdown to prevent catastrophe
What’s the word for this one when the magnets fail?
We aren't Ukraine or Japan
Dumbshits and Democrats acting like nuclear power is at all dangerous, outside of theory, is why we still HAVE to have coal plants.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:36 am to auggie
quote:Any is good.
How much more?
It means they are on the right track.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:54 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:
Cold fusion
Is a misnomer. The heat is the resource.
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