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Freedom Caucus: Enemy of the Good
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:29 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:29 am
They are opposed to a bill that:
1. Eliminates the individual mandate
2. Eliminates the Medicaid Expansion
3. TURNS MEDICAID, OUR THIRD LARGEST ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM, INTO A STATE BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM!!!!
Because why?
It has refundable tax credits? They are ok with tax credits, just not refundable ones; even though that makes no fricking sense.
It doesn't bring down healthcare costs? It sure as hell brings down federal subsidies of healthcare costs!
Ridiculous.
1. Eliminates the individual mandate
2. Eliminates the Medicaid Expansion
3. TURNS MEDICAID, OUR THIRD LARGEST ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM, INTO A STATE BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM!!!!
Because why?
It has refundable tax credits? They are ok with tax credits, just not refundable ones; even though that makes no fricking sense.
It doesn't bring down healthcare costs? It sure as hell brings down federal subsidies of healthcare costs!
Ridiculous.
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:31 am to BigJim
Yes the Freedom Caucus should sell out their core idea of a free market because Ryan chose to roll other stuff isn't in this bill.
Each of those could be accomplished without TrumpCare.
Each of those could be accomplished without TrumpCare.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:32 am to BigJim
If you give the Senate a moderate bill to begin with, the Senate will send back an even worse bill.
I thought y'all all learned this 'art of the deal' stuff?
I thought y'all all learned this 'art of the deal' stuff?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:33 am to BigJim
Come on BigJim. You can't pass a bill just because it has some good laws in it when it also has some bad laws. There is no need to rush this vote, and they should all be working together to make this the best set of laws it can be.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:36 am to BigJim
It is not ridiculous at all.
The bill continues to limit deductibles, continues to inhibit creativity in healthcare products (i.e. the co-op Paul talks about) and does very little to bring market forces to healthcare pricing.
We need a real change.
The bill should be modified so that it does not limit deductible plans, so that it encourages subscription based pricing, so that primary care and catastrophic care can be separated from policies and priced separately, so that medicaid can be used for subscription based healthcare, and so there are no insurance industry profit protections.
There is no reason given this opportunity to change healthcare to be timid about it.
The bill continues to limit deductibles, continues to inhibit creativity in healthcare products (i.e. the co-op Paul talks about) and does very little to bring market forces to healthcare pricing.
We need a real change.
The bill should be modified so that it does not limit deductible plans, so that it encourages subscription based pricing, so that primary care and catastrophic care can be separated from policies and priced separately, so that medicaid can be used for subscription based healthcare, and so there are no insurance industry profit protections.
There is no reason given this opportunity to change healthcare to be timid about it.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:37 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:
There is no need to rush this vote, and they should all be working together to make this the best set of laws it can be.
they are working under reconciliation rules. time is up Monday COB.
if they allow members of Congress to really consider everything, it will end up in Senate committee and a few deal making Dems will have a say. Similar to how the two Maine Senators and two or three others over the course of that ACA, each got to put in something. 60 votes. You are starting with 52. Murkowski and Portman and Collins are on record and won't vote for the bill as it is.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:38 am to BigJim
quote:Pro tip: Repealing the unpopular parts of Ocare and keeping the popular parts makes death spirals worse
1. Eliminates the individual mandate
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:42 am to CelticDog
quote:
they are working under reconciliation rules. time is up Monday COB. if they allow members of Congress to really consider everything, it will end up in Senate committee and a few deal making Dems will have a say. Similar to how the two Maine Senators and two or three others over the course of that ACA, each got to put in something. 60 votes. You are starting with 52. Murkowski and Portman and Collins are on record and won't vote for the bill as it is.
Right. So change the fricking rules. Make a great plan. Jam it through and if it really fixes Healthcare costs while increasing access then they will control congress for decades
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:44 am to Iosh
quote:
Pro tip: Repealing the unpopular parts of Ocare and keeping the popular parts makes death spirals worse
Not a bad point, but hardly a consideration of the Freedom Caucus.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:46 am to I B Freeman
quote:
The bill continues to limit deductibles, continues to inhibit creativity in healthcare products (i.e. the co-op Paul talks about) and does very little to bring market forces to healthcare pricing.
We need a real change
You think that is real change as opposed to moving medicaid to a state block grant?
That is piddly-arse small ball stuff you are complaining about. Not saying they aren't good ideas, but to say this bill doesn't make HUGE changes is just freakin' ignorant.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:49 am to BigJim
quote:
Because why?
Because it accepts the premises and definitions of the Left(including GOPe) . Any bill that accepts these premises can never work.
It is the ACA with a few R "goodies" thrown in. Typical DC bullshite.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:49 am to BigJim
quote:Sure it is. The Freedom Caucus wants to eliminate the preexisting condition provision. That's the other half of the death spiral right there.
Not a bad point, but hardly a consideration of the Freedom Caucus.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:52 am to BigJim
quote:
You think that is real change as opposed to moving medicaid to a state block grant?
Oh I am not badly opposed to that so long as the states know they can be very creative in using it. I would force them to limit the benefits somewhat so that no healthcare is 100% free or else we risk huge abuse in many states.
It is not "piddly-arse" to encourage changes in the pricing models for healthcare---it is HUGE.
Oh it makes huge changes in the way government spends but does very little to attack the root cause of health care cost---pricing.
Bureaucrats will call it a huge change but in the eyes of consumer it is not so much of a change.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:52 am to SoulGlo
quote:
Because it accepts the premises and definitions of the Left(including GOPe) . Any bill that accepts these premises can never work.
What the hell does that mean?
quote:
It is the ACA with a few R "goodies" thrown in. Typical DC bullshite.
If that goody is moving Medicaid to a state block grant program, then you should sign the frick up.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:53 am to CorporateTiger
quote:And that is major reason why government is so ineffective.
Yes the Freedom Caucus should sell out their core idea of a free market because Ryan chose to roll other stuff isn't in this bill
"Here are 5 things we know you support, but "with it, are 50 things we know you oppose."
Then after they vote against it: "HOW could you not vote for it? I included those 5 things you support!"
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 9:54 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:54 am to I B Freeman
It's not very exciting to me that JBE could be free to pass around medicaid money to campaign contributors in the healthcare provider business.
I will accept your premise it is better to have block grants.
I will accept your premise it is better to have block grants.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:54 am to buckeye_vol
Charles Krauthammer said it right when he said that the Republicans should have just put everything they wanted in this bill and let the Senate be the ones to tear it apart and then it won't be on them
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:55 am to BigJim
get the federal government out of healthcare
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:55 am to Iosh
quote:
Sure it is. The Freedom Caucus wants to eliminate the preexisting condition provision. That's the other half of the death spiral right there
Do they? Maybe in a very limited "get rid of it and then put it back in" type of thing.
First I have heard that they want to eliminate dealing with pre-existing conditions in some form or another.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:56 am to BigJim
Shifting from "Repeal" to "Repeal AND Replace" IS the enemy of the good!
Resurrect the repeal legislation that passed and was vetoed by Obama!
After repeal and return to pre Obamacare laws, Congress can then address individual issues!
Resurrect the repeal legislation that passed and was vetoed by Obama!
After repeal and return to pre Obamacare laws, Congress can then address individual issues!
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 9:57 am
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