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re: For Those Who Support Sanctuary Cities, Convince Me Why It's a Good Thing
Posted on 4/25/17 at 6:41 pm to Ebbandflow
Posted on 4/25/17 at 6:41 pm to Ebbandflow
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There argument is that illegal aliens that are witnesses to crimes won't come forward because they fear being deported.
Stupid fricking argument.
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Yeah, facts are stupid.
No facts are facts.
Illegal aliens not reporting crimes they witnessed, committed by more than likely other illegal immigrants don't mean shite.
Neither the witness or the perp should be in this country as they are both criminals
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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This is what ignorant people say when they're wrong.
Lol. Ok. I just showed you a letter from 61 police chiefs. You look like an idiot. If you want to nitpick about unrelated things, go ahead, but you just got schooled.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:40 pm to Ebbandflow
You've been wrong at every turn here. I won't stop you from strutting, but I do want you to know that I'm somewhat amused.
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I just showed you a letter from 61 police chiefs.
Good for you. That isn't what I asked for.
It's also limited in scope and isn't addressed as you implied.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 9:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You've been wrong at every turn here. I won't stop you from strutting, but I do want you to know that I'm somewhat amused.
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I just showed you a letter from 61 police chiefs.
Good for you. That isn't what I asked for.
It's also limited in scope and isn't addressed as you implied.
Dear, lord. 61 police chiefs from various cities with an explanation of why they disagree with the Trump and Trumpkin people on the sanctuary status.
Are you really that much of a moron that you cant revognize that as viable info? You must be trolling bc otherwise you're just pretending to be above the truth bc you know youre wrong.
You still havent been able to articulate what numbers you want. Me simply mistaking a minor detail or two doesnt change the underlying theme of you being wrong and willfully ignorant while still trying to say nananny booboo to me. Grow up.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 9:54 pm to Ebbandflow
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disagree with
Opinions are not data.
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moron that you cant revognize
I love the classics.
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You still havent been able to articulate what numbers you want.
I certainly have. I'll take any data that support any claim you've made in this thread.
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you being wrong
I haven't been wrong yet.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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disagree with
Opinions are not data.
Opinions become policy, hence the current policy, dumbass. I show you a reason behind policy, then you ask for data. Asolutely nonsensical. It's oddly amusing that youre just going to keep going with that.
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moron that you cant revognize
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I love the classics.
That's a typo. It would be a classic if I was unaware how to spell it. Nice attempt at deflection. That's a classic.
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haven't been wrong yet.
Ok
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:05 pm to Ebbandflow
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then you ask for data.
Wrong. I asked for data from the start, and you've still provided none. I don't care about 61 opinions. I care about data, which you don't seem to have.
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That's a typo.
It's only classic because you made an attempt to insult my intelligence while simultaneously fricking up our language.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:08 pm to CommoDawg
What % of Americans are ever witnesses to a violent crime? Seriously this is such a mind blowing stupid argument. Let's let all illegal aliens live in sanctuary cities in case they are ever a witness to a violent crime. Really wtf. No one can genuinely think that way. Can they??
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:19 pm to CommoDawg
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If a neighbor who is an undocumented immigrant, witnesses domestic violence, she is more likely to report the violence to the police or be a witness in a judicial proceeding if there is no threat that she'll be deported because of her participation
Why would the prosecutor deport a key witness in a violent crime?
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:28 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:15 am to ScoopAndScore
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What % of Americans are ever witnesses to a violent crime? Seriously this is such a mind blowing stupid argument.
That was my thought, too. I've never witnessed a single crime in my entire life.
If witnessing crimes is such a frequent occurrence in these largely illegal immigrant neighborhoods, looks to me like that's one more strong argument in favor of deporting these people.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:01 am to CommoDawg
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If a neighbor who is an undocumented immigrant, witnesses domestic violence, she is more likely to report the violence to the police or be a witness in a judicial proceeding if there is no threat that she'll be deported because of her participation
Is there any evidence that someone reporting a crime has ever been deported just because of their participation in reporting a crime? - or is this just another fiction like the poor souls who cannot afford to get a voter ID??
Was this a general fear amongst immigrant communities before the DIM/LIB/MSM began spreading the fear that it would happen to them?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:39 am to Ebbandflow
There you go. It was a long road, but we got there. Now, let's get into that data that you provided a bit.
The very first study that you provided was conducted by someone who was in this country illegally for a large part of their life. I'd easily make a case and win that there is an extreme bias in his methods, but I won't outright dismiss the data because of that.
One glaring problem is that the study shows no patterns from each of the data points he uses. Crime rates have fallen across the country during the time period shown. If that's been true for the locations he's used as well, it hardly indicates sanctuary cities as a cause. Is that in one of the links you provided? I don't have time right now to read them all.
The very first study that you provided was conducted by someone who was in this country illegally for a large part of their life. I'd easily make a case and win that there is an extreme bias in his methods, but I won't outright dismiss the data because of that.
One glaring problem is that the study shows no patterns from each of the data points he uses. Crime rates have fallen across the country during the time period shown. If that's been true for the locations he's used as well, it hardly indicates sanctuary cities as a cause. Is that in one of the links you provided? I don't have time right now to read them all.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:05 am to TBoy
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There. That's a valid reason not to do it.
So, if pervert took a child and crossed state lines which makes it a federal crime, you are OK with the state and local authorities washing their hands of the matter and looking the other way?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:08 am to KCT
Why should some idiot in a different place get to have a say about local metropolitan issues?
You don't have a say because you don't live in a sanctuary city. Your opinion is irrelevant, and I don't feel the need to persuade you.
How's that answer?
You don't have a say because you don't live in a sanctuary city. Your opinion is irrelevant, and I don't feel the need to persuade you.
How's that answer?
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 6:09 am
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:12 am to TxTiger82
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Why should some idiot in a different place get to have a say about local metropolitan issues? You don't have a say because you don't live in a sanctuary city. Your opinion is irrelevant, and I don't feel the need to persuade you. How's that answer?
So a city could do the same thing about abortion right? They could refuse to follow federal law and stop doing abortions for those who want them. In essence, it would be a sanctuary city for the unborn.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:03 am to CommoDawg
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Immigrants shouldn't have to fear being deported while cooperating with law enforcement for other issues.
So with this logic, they should have sanctuary cities for people with warrants out for their arrest. People with warrants aren't going to come forward and help the police as witnesses or cooperate in invastigations.
Do you see a difference between them?
Is it because you don't see the alien as breaking the law but the man with the arrest warrant as having broken the law?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:05 am to KCT
Good for concentrating the illegals so we know where to drop the MOAB
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:05 am to KCT
It allows all the DNC voters a chance to vote in next election cycle.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:17 am to KCT
Sanctuary cities are simply a convention to avoid enforcing federal immigration law. This is something only allowed by liberal progressives and their supportive media when they don't agree with the rule of law. Conservatives need not apply.
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