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Florida doctors can ask patients about guns, court rules

Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:13 am
Posted by FrenchToast
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Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:13 am
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A federal appeals court ruled on Thursday that Florida doctors can talk to patients about gun safety, declaring a law aimed at restricting such discussions a violation of the First Amendment's right to free speech.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the law does not trespass on patients' Second Amendment rights to own guns and noted a patient who doesn't want to be questioned about that can easily find another doctor.

"The Second Amendment right to own and possess firearms does not preclude questions about, commentary on, or criticism for the exercise of that right," wrote Circuit Judge Adalberto Jordan in one of two majority opinions covering 90 pages. "There is no actual conflict between the First Amendment rights of doctors and medical professionals and the Second Amendment rights of patients."

Circuit Judge William Pryor, who was a finalist in President Donald Trump's search for a Supreme Court nominee, said in a separate concurring opinion that the First Amendment must protect all points of view.

"The promise of free speech is that even when one holds an unpopular point of view, the state cannot stifle it," he wrote. "The price Americans pay for this freedom is that the rule remains unchanged regardless of who is in the majority."

The law was passed in 2011 and signed by Republican Gov. Rick Scott with strong support from the National Rifle Association. It was the only one of its kind in the nation, although similar laws have been considered in other states.

Supporters in the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature insisted it was necessary because doctors were overstepping their bounds and pushing an anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment agenda.


Is your doctor's office the appropriate place to ask you if you have a gun? - read more on Fox News
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99086 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:18 am to
I see Conservative Judges are able to make rulings based on the Constitution and laws, no matter what their personal feelings on the subject may be. How refreshing.
Posted by dinner roll
buttery goodness
Member since Feb 2006
6365 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:20 am to
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The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the law does not trespass on patients' Second Amendment rights to own guns and noted a patient who doesn't want to be questioned about that can easily find another doctor.


If you like your doctor...

What happens if the patient refuses to answer?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:21 am to
My knee jerk reaction is that this is the proper ruling
Posted by GIbson05
Member since Feb 2009
4292 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:24 am to
Free speech also includes lying like hell to your doctor.

"No Doc, I don't own any guns."


Not hard to do.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54212 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:24 am to
As long as my doctor can't force me to listen to his questions. I'm good. If he insists, I find another doctor who doesn't. I talk to my doctors all the time about sports and that doesn't seem to upset the apple cart. Now if all they want to talk about is the Hogs, then we have a problem.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99086 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:25 am to
It's Florida, boating accidents happen often, and dammit if a lot of guns aren't lost in those boating accidents.
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:25 am to
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If you like your doctor...




You could just lie or refuse to answer. Its not like the doctor has and legal authority on the matter
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21913 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:27 am to
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"The Second Amendment right to own and possess firearms does not preclude questions about, commentary on, or criticism for the exercise of that right," wrote Circuit Judge Adalberto Jordan in one of two majority opinions covering 90 pages. "There is no actual conflict between the First Amendment rights of doctors and medical professionals and the Second Amendment rights of patients."



This leads me to an idea for those who oppose other viewpoints or activities based on their own first amendment rights.

When people don't want to participate in an activity that violates their religious beliefs they should go ahead a participate but just do a shitty job.

For the bakers who are now being forced to bake cakes for LBGTQRSTUV ceremonies just make them a crapy cake. Same with florists or whatever.

When they complain then just tell them they used artistic license to make something they though best represented the occasion

Problem will solve itself
This post was edited on 2/19/17 at 9:30 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57278 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:28 am to

Correct decision in my view. Freedom is never advanced by silencing people.

I get the fear of using docs as data gatherers, but seriously, just say "nope, no guns!" Problem solved.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3902 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:30 am to
We needed a US Court of Appeaks to tell us this? Oh, right, Florida tried to make it illegal. Lol
Posted by EyeTwentyNole
Member since Mar 2015
4199 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:31 am to
So if a doctor asks a patient about their gun, can the patient ask the Dr about their extramarital affair? Free speech and all
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
7972 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:33 am to
I've already been asked this...and said no. Then I asked him how often he has anal sex since it increases the possibility of AIDS and he laughed. He said, about as often as you vote Democrat.

As long as he doesn't have the power to abridge the 4th Ammendment, it doesn't really matter. It is a bullshite line of questioning though.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67977 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:33 am to
Well, to answer your question Doc,

all my guns were lost in a tragic boating accident.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35408 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:42 am to
quote:

The law was passed in 2011 and signed by Republican Gov. Rick Scott with strong support from the National Rifle Association. It was the only one of its kind in the nation, although similar laws have been considered in other states.

Supporters in the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature insisted it was necessary because doctors were overstepping their bounds and pushing an anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment agenda.
This is the crap you get when you elect too many Republicans. They seem to care very little for the 1st Amendment and personal liberty.

Sure, the D's have their over reaches too.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38791 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:44 am to
It's pretty simple tell your doctor to go frick himself and then apologize BC he just doing what is required
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22348 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:46 am to
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It's Florida, boating accidents happen often, and dammit if a lot of guns aren't lost in those boating accidents.




Louisiana too. My Dr. Is a longtime family friend and he was actually with me in the tragic boating accident that claimed both of our guns.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22348 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:48 am to
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This is the crap you get when you elect too many Republicans. They seem to care very little for the 1st Amendment and personal liberty.

Sure, the D's have their over reaches too.



When Republicans start burning down the Dr.'s offices you can claim moral equivalence. Until then frick yourself.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35408 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:50 am to
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When Republicans start burning down the Dr.'s offices you can claim moral equivalence. Until then frick yourself.
I am not claiming any moral equivalence, but you have to admit that laws like this one should never have gotten a second vote in favor, much less become a law.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22348 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:52 am to
Fair enough. Terrible law.
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