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re: Federalist: Acquittal Verdict In The Philando Castile Case Is An Abomination
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:09 am to Stingray
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:09 am to Stingray
Without being in the courtroom and experiencing the entire trial, I don't believe anyone is qualified to form judgment.
The media releases of witness statements,prior to trial, have been proven incorrect many times.
Again and again we see why LEO should be wearing body cams that are being utilized in such cases.
The media releases of witness statements,prior to trial, have been proven incorrect many times.
Again and again we see why LEO should be wearing body cams that are being utilized in such cases.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 11:10 am
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:09 am to CorporateTiger
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I'm not sure why you are bothering.
Feel free to chime in with your thoughts on that as well.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:10 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Don't be absurd.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:11 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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. It sounds more like you favor centralizing authority in the hands of government more than it alread is. I'll pass on that, and so will most people.
This. Which is why I think public opinion would worsen.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:12 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Who gets to say what education level one needs to serve as a juror? Who controls the oversight and in what manner?
the easiest answer is the judiciary, since it would essentially be an arm of the courts
the judiciary regulates the legal profession in every state and much of federal practice. there is no reason jurists would be any different
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It sounds more like you favor centralizing authority in the hands of government more than it alread is. I'll pass on that, and so will most people.
oh i understand this issue
but on the flip side, with juries today, you're basically trying to teach them an entirely new language in a week or so. that's absurd itself, too. that's why juries are such a problem. also the fact that juries are typically comprised of people "too stupid to get off jury duty" hurts the quality as well
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:13 am to uway
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It sucks, cops get away with "murder", etc. but that's the way it is. I think middle aged white people, to use your categorization, are more likely to understand that and adjust their behavior accordingly.
It shouldn't be that way. Castille messed up in his phrasing. He should have said "inside my car, I have a handgun, I have a concealed /carry permit" and left it alone. However, the sad fact is that you had an innocent guy, who was guilty of nothing more than either going a little fast in his car or a bad tail light, who is now dead who did not use the right phrasiology and moved the wrong way.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:14 am to Bogie00
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Again and again we see why LEO should be wearing body cams that are being utilized in such cases.
And the city has refused to release the dashcam video. More transparency, not less, needs to be encouraged. Social media has changed media crisis response but cities haven't gotten the memo.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:14 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Setting specific requirements, and then pushing that into an entirely new profession is silly
It's not really a new profession. It is just setting actual qualifications to be on the bench beyond "be the brown boxer in whichever party holds the most sway in a given locality."
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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but on the flip side, with juries today, you're basically trying to teach them an entirely new language in a week or so. that's absurd itself, too. that's why juries are such a problem. also the fact that juries are typically comprised of people "too stupid to get off jury duty" hurts the quality as well
Well, the real and obtainable goal is the public perception of justice.
True justice is not real, and it is unobtainable.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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the easiest answer is the judiciary, since it would essentially be an arm of the courts
the judiciary regulates the legal profession in every state and much of federal practice.
Of course that's the easiest answer. It's also the wrong answer.
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there is no reason jurists would be any different
And this is why it will never happen.
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oh i understand this issue
That's great, because this is what will prevent your idea from ever being an option in our country, at least in our lifetimes.
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but on the flip side, with juries today, you're basically trying to teach them an entirely new language in a week or so. that's absurd itself, too. that's why juries are such a problem. also the fact that juries are typically comprised of people "too stupid to get off jury duty" hurts the quality as well
And how are these juries selected?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:16 am to CorporateTiger
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It's not really a new profession.
There is a current requirement for a judge to begin their career as a professional juror?
Help me understand if I'm missing the point.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:17 am to DisplacedBuckeye
So you think that having professional jurors is less disruptive than taking a massive number of people out of work to go sit around all day to MAYBE contribute something?
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:18 am to Stingray
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Well, the real and obtainable goal is the public perception of justice.
I'd argue it's more than public perception, but I love classical philosophy. I'd say that the Justice system needs to be a shadow of the Platonic form of Justice. And that the goal is moving more towards the form of Justice
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:19 am to CorporateTiger
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There are judges. It is a profession right now. Adding qualifications doesn't make it a new profession.
Calling it a new profession with no way to enforce any type of fruition does make it a new profession.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:19 am to DisplacedBuckeye
The frick?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:20 am to the808bass
Justice is harmony?
Is that what you are getting at?
It seems like you are going to have to talk to me like I am a high functioning retard.
Is that what you are getting at?
It seems like you are going to have to talk to me like I am a high functioning retard.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:23 am to CorporateTiger
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it's a job in the judiciary
Not even my words.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:24 am to Stingray
Sorry. I tried to warn.
I like the Platonic idea that there are forms of things which are represented imperfectly in real life. Justice is such a "form." What exists on earth as Justice is just a "shadow" of that "form." Those are just Plato's buzz words. But we understand what Justice is pretty well. Almost perfectly. We just have a hard time executing it. So the shadow remains a shadow of the form. But the form always has to be the primary goal and the template for our lives and we have to strive to replicate it as closely as possible.
I like the Platonic idea that there are forms of things which are represented imperfectly in real life. Justice is such a "form." What exists on earth as Justice is just a "shadow" of that "form." Those are just Plato's buzz words. But we understand what Justice is pretty well. Almost perfectly. We just have a hard time executing it. So the shadow remains a shadow of the form. But the form always has to be the primary goal and the template for our lives and we have to strive to replicate it as closely as possible.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:25 am to the808bass
i'm big into platonic ideals also
but you always have to remember the ideal can/never will exist in reality
but you always have to remember the ideal can/never will exist in reality
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:32 am to Stingray
quote:No, but I would expect them to be raising hell right now if he were white
If he didn't have a lawful concealed carry, you expect the NRA to protest?
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