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re: Federal scientist cooked climate change books ahead of Obama presentation
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:06 pm to Salmon
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:06 pm to Salmon
quote:
That doesn't make sense, Dale
Actually, it does. You don't want it to...like you don't want AGW debunked and close your mind to new information.
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:07 pm to Salmon
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Like most fake news articles, they take something out of context and twist it to fit an agenda
You're projecting again..though you won't recognize it.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:08 pm to dewster
You can google just as well as I can
Plenty of scientists posted rebuttals explaining it better than I ever could
Plenty of scientists posted rebuttals explaining it better than I ever could
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:09 pm to Dale51
I would love for someone to definitively debunk AGW
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:09 pm to Salmon
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You can google just as well as I can
Thanks. I think I see what is going on here.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:09 pm to dewster
I don't follow
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:10 pm to dewster
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So I take it you can't debunk the article?
Exactly.
Argument by Assertion Fallacy.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:12 pm to Salmon
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I would love for someone to definitively debunk AGW
What would you accept as valid data that you would recognize as debunking the claim of AGW?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:14 pm to Salmon
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I don't follow
I'm legitimately curious as to why I or anyone else should dismiss this whistleblower or the article. You claim to be informed on the topic, so I expected more than a canned "fake news" response.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:15 pm to dewster
And I'm telling you that there are plenty of rebuttals out there
I just don't have time to link them all to you right now as I'm about to leave to go have dinner with my family any minute
I just don't have time to link them all to you right now as I'm about to leave to go have dinner with my family any minute
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:19 pm to Salmon
But we don't understand science, right? What else in the realm of the Federal Scientist world is being shoved down our throats as fact? Public school taught human evolution, perhaps?
world is being shoved down our throats as fact? Public school taught human evolution, perhaps? 
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:30 pm to dewster
quote:Apparently Dr Bates had to later clarify the issue after the stories reported that he was alleging fraud. NYT's Story
I'm legitimately curious as to why I or anyone else should dismiss this whistleblower or the article.
quote:Clearly there are some concerning issues, but I think people are trying to fit it into the exteme.
“The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data,” he said, “but rather really of timing of a release of a paper that had not properly disclosed everything it was.”
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:32 pm to Bayou
quote:Do you think the level of scientific support and logic for evolution is anywhere in the same realm as climate change?
But we don't understand science, right? What else in the realm of the Federal Scientist world is being shoved down our throats as fact? Public school taught human evolution, perhaps?
There is plenty of reasons to be skeptical of the climate change narrative, but evolution is one of the most supported scientific theories.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:40 pm to Dale51
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So to answer your question, they are fake by virtue of manipulating data to nudge the conclusions in the direction that is beneficial to the research's continuation.
*cough*
quote:
You live in your own world, where whatever you nthink is real, is real.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:55 pm to Dale51
With a subject as politicized as anthropogenic global warming, there will be rebuttals and attacks made on whistle blowers. That doesn't mean that said whistle blowers don't have merit.
The article appears to be very inconvenient to some AGW evangelicals that post here judging at the amount of snarky comments we've seen. It takes more than "derp derp...fake news" to debunk the article or the whistle blower.
The article is reporting on an actual whistle blower. The article has not proven to be factually inaccurate. I've seen attacks on the article and on the whistle blower in this thread....but nothing that really debunks what has been reported.
The article appears to be very inconvenient to some AGW evangelicals that post here judging at the amount of snarky comments we've seen. It takes more than "derp derp...fake news" to debunk the article or the whistle blower.
The article is reporting on an actual whistle blower. The article has not proven to be factually inaccurate. I've seen attacks on the article and on the whistle blower in this thread....but nothing that really debunks what has been reported.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:57 pm to buckeye_vol
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There is plenty of reasons to be skeptical of the climate change narrative, but evolution is one of the most supported scientific theories.
Very true. The two are not comparable.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:58 pm to Salmon
Plenty of rebuttals by people who live off grants
How come nobody wants to follow the money?
Like these assholes are any less greedy than anybody else
How come nobody wants to follow the money?
Like these assholes are any less greedy than anybody else
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:06 pm to Salmon
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Like most fake news articles, they take something out of context and twist it to fit an agenda
Should be easy to debunk then.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:07 pm to Salmon
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This has been debunked
For 'scientists' to even conjure up the need to go back to the 1930s in order to adjust temps from what was actually published in newspapers of the day, says all you need to know about their motives
And to also 'assign' data to areas that hasn't had historical data since, ever, also speaks to their motives
And when actually studying their adjustments, its isnt a coincidence that they overwhelming demonstrate a lowering of temps historically, and a upward adjustment of temps since 1997
That's not science, that's propaganda
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:17 pm to narddogg81
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This has been posted like 100 times already
and if you know how scientific papers and revised numbers work you know its bullshite.
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