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Excellent Analysis of the Fake News process, Re: NYT, Perry
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:32 pm
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That New York Times hit piece on Perry was unsubstantiated garbage
Reporters were aghast – petrified even! – after the paper published a shocking report titled, "'Learning Curve' as Rick Perry Pursues a Job He Initially Misunderstood."
Shocking stuff indeed. Shocking, that is, until you reach the fourth paragraph, and discover that the story hinges entirely on a single quote from a GOP energy lobbyist.
"If you asked him on that first day he said yes, he would have said, 'I want to be an advocate for energy,'" Michael McKenna. "If you asked him now, he'd say, 'I'm serious about the challenges facing the nuclear complex.' It's been a learning curve."
That's it. That is the only piece of supposed evidence provided by the Times to back its claim that the former Texas governor apparently had no idea he'd be tasked with overseeing the U.S.' nuclear arsenal.
Despite the story's obviously thin sourcing, members of the press were quick to spread the article on social media, each apparently trying to one-up the other in terms alarmism.
It wasn't just individual journalists sharing the report. Entire write-ups were soon published, parroting the Times' claim.
First, the article's lone source, Michael McKenna, was booted from the Trump transition team in November 2016. Perry was appointed to the role in December 2016.
Second, the quote attributed to McKenna is pure speculation. It's him theorizing about what the former governor may be thinking now compared to what he thought back in December when he was first offered the job.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 5:09 pm
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:35 pm to USMCTiger03
NYT news process:
Talk to sock puppet
Sock puppet says X.
"Anonymous sources tell us"
Repeat.
Talk to sock puppet
Sock puppet says X.
"Anonymous sources tell us"
Repeat.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:38 pm to USMCTiger03
And this is why these news propagandists should be disregarded outright.
The Democrats are balanced on a tower of fake news journalism.
The Democrats are balanced on a tower of fake news journalism.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:40 pm to USMCTiger03
It's just getting worse....
how long until they are just printing straight up lies?
how long until they are just printing straight up lies?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:46 pm to CptBengal
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how long until they are just printing straight up lies?
That would be 2016.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:48 pm to CptBengal
quote:
how long until they are just printing straight up lies?
Hands Up, Don't Shoot...
My gosh my head is already spinning. We could come up with so many. That first one was so easy.
Lying is just second nature to the left.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:49 pm to CptBengal
quote:Where have you been?
how long until they are just printing straight up lies?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:53 pm to USMCTiger03
Yeah, that's not "fake news." Shoddy, lazy reporting maybe, but not fake news. They got a quote from an energy lobbyist that both advised Perry in his 2016 presidential campaign, and worked on Trump's transition team. It's safe to assume he talked shop with Perry somewhere along the way.
Perhaps McKenna incorrectly theorized. But the NYT didn't make it up out of thin air.
Perhaps McKenna incorrectly theorized. But the NYT didn't make it up out of thin air.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:56 pm to USMCTiger03
This subject is full of hypocrisy from both sides. The Washington Examiner (the site linked) seems fairly reputable, but they often have articles that are of a poor journalistic quality. Frankly, I'm just not sure of any publication with multiple writers (varying in quality and credibility) is immune to poor journalism.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:56 pm to The Spleen
quote:It is blatantly fake news.
Yeah, that's not "fake news." Shoddy, lazy reporting maybe, but not fake news. They got a quote from an energy lobbyist that both advised Perry in his 2016 presidential campaign, and worked on Trump's transition team. It's safe to assume he talked shop with Perry somewhere along the way.
The "journalist" used a comment from a source who theorized what someone might be thinking and then passed it off as fact.
That is fake news.
You Leftists keep trying to shift the goalposts.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:57 pm to The Spleen
LOL Rick Perry has no idea what the department of energy does!!!!>>.>!!!
That's basically what the article says.
That's basically what the article says.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:58 pm to cokebottleag
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That would be 2016.
No shite. Pretty much the majority of polling was completely fabricated.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:01 pm to NIH
quote:And this why we can't ever have an honest discussion about a topic. You have to throw in some unsupported conspiracy with an actual discussion about poor journalism.
Pretty much the majority of polling was completely fabricated.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:02 pm to Scruffy
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It is blatantly fake news. The "journalist" used a comment from a source who theorized what someone might be thinking and then passed it off as fact. That is fake news. You Leftists keep trying to shift the goalposts.
Scruffy, you are correct, but here is where you are still failing to understand Progressives....
Progs will ALWAYS resort to this tactic as a last resort. Happens in situations like this, and also happens in situations like Rush Limbaugh, for example.
Remember when Rush was prevented from buying into an NFL team because of the racist comments he didn't make? What was the justification from the Left after it was proven he never made the comments they stated?
The justification was: "Well he may not have said them, but I'm sure he was thinking them."
Remember that in a situation like this, hence the reason why the Prog you responded to is OK with this. Remember, the enemy is "always" guilty, no matter what proof you DON'T have.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:03 pm to Scruffy
quote:This is why the "fake news" concept was stupid. It may be poor conclusions based on speculation, but "fake news" to me is something that is completely made up (tabloids, Infowars).
The "journalist" used a comment from a source who theorized what someone might be thinking and then passed it off as fact.
That is fake news.
In my opinion, there is a major distinction between subpar journalism and fake news.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:06 pm to buckeye_vol
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In my opinion, there is a major distinction between subpar journalism and fake news.
Agreed. It's a lazy article with a weak supporting quote for its theme. It's fair to discount it and be skeptical of its conclusion. Unless the quote was simply made up, it's not fake news.
But I guess we're just to point that any article from a source we don't like is fake news.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:08 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:I disagree. There is no distinction here.
This is why the "fake news" concept was stupid. It may be poor conclusions based on speculation, but "fake news" to me is something that is completely made up (tabloids, Infowars).
What this journalist did is no different than if the National Enquirer ran a story about Bigfoot where a guy said he saw him and the title of the article was "Bigfoot is Real!".
There is no distinction between the two.
Both involve information that is essentially made up or stated by someone who truly believes what they are saying.
The only reason people see a distinction is because subconsciously they either agree with the article's conclusion or believe the information "could" be true.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:08 pm to CptBengal
quote:
how long until they are just printing straight up lies?
Germans
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:09 pm to buckeye_vol
Then you have a poor understanding of the fake news concept.
Poor reporting would just be someone doing a bad job because they are lazy or incompetent.
That is not fake news.
Coming up with an entire false premise based off of rumor, innuendo or a misleading quote, is fake news.
What is then REALLY fake news, is when other outlets source your story as fact and use it to bolster additional fake news stories, all pointing back to the original bullshite fake story.
So it appears that dozens of reports have researched and sourced stories and all come to the same educated conclusion, when in fact it is all fake.
Note: This is not exclusive to liberal media. They were just the ones who tried to pull this fake news GOTCHA on everyone, so it's just fun to turn it around on them.
Poor reporting would just be someone doing a bad job because they are lazy or incompetent.
That is not fake news.
Coming up with an entire false premise based off of rumor, innuendo or a misleading quote, is fake news.
What is then REALLY fake news, is when other outlets source your story as fact and use it to bolster additional fake news stories, all pointing back to the original bullshite fake story.
So it appears that dozens of reports have researched and sourced stories and all come to the same educated conclusion, when in fact it is all fake.
Note: This is not exclusive to liberal media. They were just the ones who tried to pull this fake news GOTCHA on everyone, so it's just fun to turn it around on them.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:11 pm to The Spleen
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They got a quote from an energy lobbyist that both advised Perry in his 2016 presidential campaign, and worked on Trump's transition team. I
Oh sorry, left this out:
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Third, according McKenna, the quote isn't even accurate. He told the Daily Caller Wednesday evening that his already bland remarks were badly misinterpreted by the Times. He said the report "[doesn't] really reflect what I said," adding that Perry "of course" understood the job when he accepted it.
How can you even type a word in defense of these fake journalists??
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